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Watching the Prop 8 trial, part 2

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It seemed that everyone’s nerves were on edge on the first day of the historic federal challenge to California’s Proposition 8 in the San Francisco district courthouse, just a block or so away from where all those thousands of jubilant couples married illegally in 2004 at City Hall.

All this amid a compliment from the San Francisco mayor who helped make the marriage issue matter: @GavinNewsom Hats off to David Boies & Ted Olson for their effort to overturn Prop 8.

Many Twitter users are following the trial as it happens, including

You can follow these Tweeters live during the trial, per Eden James from the Courage Campaign: Ilona Turner of National Center for Lesbian Right at @ilona, American Foundation for Equal Rights at @AmerEqualRights, the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California at @ACLU_NorCal and the Courage Campaign at @CourageCampaign.

There has been a lot of good reporting on today’s trial — especially from Associated Press reporter Lisa Leff and Courage Campaign founder and blogger Rick Jacobs, whose work I discuss in more detail below.

So I’m going to write about some of the aspects of today’s trial that haven’t really been written about.

At 6:30 a.m. Monday, Molly McKay and Marriage Equality USA lead a rally in the freezing darkness outside the courthouse, as if to say that the marriage equality movement is ushering in a new dawn.

There was only one sign saying marriage is between one man and one woman, notably held by two men.

Leff, on her cell phone, broke the big news of the morning to journalists and bloggers hanging outside the courtroom on the 17th floor: the U.S. Supreme Court denied a request to broadcast the trial. The Court also prohibited the transmission outside the San Francisco federal court. A number of us worried about the many people that were on their way to district courts that had been designated as viewing areas.

I asked Chad Griffin, president of the board of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, which is sponsoring the lawsuit, if they would post the trial transcripts on their web site. He said: “Anything we are allowed to do, we will do.” With Adam Umhoefer and Yusef Robb on top of their communications, I think they will post as much as they are legally able to. And the AFER team has been very strong in their support for public access to the hearing.

That’s also been the Courage Campaign’s most recent push and to illustrate the point, Jacobs brought more than 140,000 comments from people seeking access to the hearing. Jacobs, for his part, stepped up and live-blogged the first day of the trial after it became apparent there were virtually no transmissions out of the hearing room. In fact, they created a logo parodying Yes on 8 for a new blog titled Prop8TrialTracker.com.

After the introduction of all the lawyers, Judge Vaughn Walker took note of the Supreme Court ruling by Justice Anthony Kennedy, which specified the high court would make further comment Wednesday. But the issue of broadcasting the trial “was resolved for the moment.”

Walker went on to “clarify” a couple of points: First of all, the content would be posted on the Northern District web site, not Google/YouTube. Google/YouTube is just the conduit for posting, just like on the White House web site. “That service would be used here in exactly the same manner.” It seemed like he might have been sending a signal to the Supreme Court about opening up government to its citizens.

Walker then said that he received “a substantial number of comments by 5 p.m. Friday — 138,574,” with the overwhelming majority in favor of the rule change; 32 comments were opposed. People laughed. He said the uproar, however, was “very helpful,” noting that it is “highly unfortunate” that the courts have not dealt with the issue of public access in the past. “Finally, after some 20 years, we’ll get some sensible movement forward,” Walker said.

I noted the disparity in numbers between those announced by Jacobs and Walker — but it might only matter if the open government advocates need to rally to yell at the U.S. Supreme Court if they ban cameras altogether.

Theodore Boutrous Jr., a partner in Gibson Dunn, the law firm representing the plaintiffs, asked if the transmission fed within the courtroom could be recorded and preserved so that if the high court ruled that it was allowable to broadcast or post the opening remarks of lead plaintiff’s counsel, Olson, and lead defense counsel, Charles Cooper, as well as the first couple of days of the trial, that recording would be available. After some legal hemming and hawing, Walker said the hearing would be recorded.

I was suddenly struck by how sad and demoralized the Prop 8 side looked. Olson, David Boise and their team of lawyers, as well as San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera and Deputy City Attorney Therese Stewart, who argued the marriage case with Shannon Minter before the California Supreme Court, sat on the right side facing the judge with two long rows of thick binders behind them. There were also rows filled with other counsels; plaintiffs Kris Perry and Sandy Stier and two of their children, and Paul Katami and Jeff Zarrillo; AFER board members Chad Griffin; Hollywood producer Bruce Cohen and his husband Gabe Catone; LGBT activist Cleve Jones; screenwriter Dustin Lance Black; actor and director Rob Reiner; and other AFER supporters. Behind them sat “members of the public” who had lined up to get an open seat. There was also a public “overflow room” two floors up.

On the left side facing the judge sat the legal defense team, with Cooper as lead attorney for ProtectMarriage.com and two attorneys for the Alliance Defense Fund. Behind them were not rows of thick folders but a row of attorneys for California Attorney General Jerry Brown and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, and other attorneys for the defense. They had a table with two women on computers and one row of possible supporters. They appeared as though they were making motions to look busy rather than actually doing anything. At the break, Stewart told me that two or three of their witnesses had dropped out that morning. That might explain the pall that hung over that table. And throughout the day, Cooper and the other lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund kept promising that their expert, David Blankenhorn, would explain everything to the judge, who kept asking for evidence about how each side would prove their contentions.

Blankenhorn, you might remember, is the “liberal Democrat” president of the Institute for American Values, who shared a New York Times op-ed on gay marriage with the openly gay Jonathan Rauch, a guest scholar at the Brookings Institute. In a Sept. 19, 2008, Los Angeles Times op-ed, he said:

“Marriage is society’s most pro-child institution, recognized through history and a myriad of cultures.”

That was Cooper’s mantra: marriage equals protection of children.

There were surprising moments from him and his Republican colleague, Olson. After going on about how gays and lesbians have all this political power — referring to the legislature, the unions, the newspapers, Hollywood — Cooper acknowledged that public attitudes have changed from the days of Proposition 22 to Proposition 8, but no one can predict what will happen in the future, so we shouldn’t rush ahead. It was another twist on the effective yes on Prop 8 “consequences” argument that since marriage is so new, we don’t know what might happen as marriage is “de-institutionalized.”

Cooper also made the “activists judges” argument, noting that the Constitution’s 14th Amendment doesn’t take the definition of marriage out of the hands of the people. Besides, he said, Californians have been “very generous with gays.” And even President Barack Obama has said marriage should be between a man and a woman.

But then, as if to painfully underscore how scattered, repetitious and at times inadvertently amusing Cooper’s opening statement was, Walker reminded him that just moments earlier in his opening statement, Olson noted that Obama’s parents couldn’t get married in Virginia because of bans on interracial unions.

Cooper replied that “race has never been a restriction” enshrined in marriage. Some of us were dumbfounded.

He went on to explain that race is not a restriction to the definition of marriage — that a man and a woman get married to procreate. And echoing Blankenhorn, Cooper said marriage is a pro-child institution, which is far more important than love, emotional support and companionship.

To finalize his point, Cooper asserted that the landmark civil rights case that ended race-based discrimination in marriage based on the 14th Amendment, Loving v. Virginia, was only about race and not marriage. Therefore, the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause does not apply to same-sex marriage.

As the trial ended Monday, the witness on the stand, Harvard University professor and history scholar Nancy Cott, whose opening statement was “what a capacious institution [marriage] is,” really zinged Cooper.

In his opening remarks, Cooper said the limitation of marriage to the unions of one man and one woman is something that is universal throughout history and different cultures. Cott, in her very professorial way, said she was “amused” when she heard Cooper say that because “the Bible is a situation in which characters practice polygamy.” She said his statement was “inaccurate.”

In an interesting juxtaposition to Cooper’s analysis of race and marriage, Cott also talked about the Scott v. Sandford decision and how for slaves, the ability to get married was the mark of a free man.

Boutrous said he had another hour of questions, and then she’d undergo cross-examination, which was expected to get nasty.

But the highlight of the trial Monday was the powerful and moving testimony of the four plaintiffs under the gentle questioning of Boies, each describing their willing-to-die-for love of their partner, the “harm” done to them individually and as a couple by the discrimination caused by their relationship’s different status, and how domestic partnerships was humiliating and just not good enough. At times, they each choked up and paused, causing some people in the gallery to choke up, too. But perhaps most moving was how the two teenage sons of Kris and Sandy cried openly as Kris testified about her love for Sandy and for them.

Olson’s opening remarks were powerful and so on point, it was just breathtaking to hear these words spoken by the former solicitor general for President George W. Bush. Olson was repeatedly interrupted and questioned by Judge Walker — so much so one that observer wondered if Walker had already written his decision and was trying to steer both plaintiff and defense counsels toward answering questions he needed to address. But if nothing else, we certainly learned that Walker would be a very engaged judge, which, with his deep clear voice and mischievous sense of humor, should make the trial very interesting.

AFER has posted Olson’s opening comments for all to read. Before you read them in their entirety, though, consider the closing portion of his remarks:

At the end of the day, whatever the motives of its proponents, Proposition 8 enacted an utterly irrational regime to govern entitlement to the fundamental right to marry, consisting now of at least four separate and distinct classes of citizens: (1) heterosexuals, including convicted criminals, substance abusers and sex offenders, who are permitted to marry; (2) 18,000 same-sex couples married between June and November of 2008, who are allowed to remain married but may not remarry if they divorce or are widowed; (3) thousands of same-sex couples who were married in certain other states prior to November of 2008, whose marriages are now valid and recognized in California; and, finally (4) all other same-sex couples in California who, like the plaintiffs, are prohibited from marrying by Proposition 8.

There is no rational justification for this unique pattern of discrimination. Proposition 8, and the irrational pattern of California’s regulation of marriage which it promulgates, advances no legitimate state interest. All it does is label gay and lesbian persons as different, inferior, unequal, and disfavored. And it brands their relationships as not the same, and less-approved than those enjoyed by opposite sex couples. It stigmatizes gays and lesbians, classifies them as outcasts, and causes needless pain, isolation and humiliation.

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Cruising into Pride

Celebrity holds firm as a proud corporate supporter of LGBTQ community

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Celebrity APEX (Photo by Peter Rosenstein)

As you know if you have read my columns and blog posts, I love cruising. The kind where you are on a river or the ocean. Today in both the United States and around the world the LGBTQ community is facing difficult times. Attacks are coming fast and furious. There are few places where members of our community can feel totally safe these days. 

One of those places is on a cruise ship that values the community. That is what I have found whenever I travel on a Celebrity ship. Today, they are going even further in letting the world know about their respect for the community. They happily advertise Pride at Sea. Of course, they are doing it to attract LGBTQ passengers and their dollars, but that’s great in this day and age, when a company is willing to step up proudly, wants our business, and will do everything they can to make us feel both wanted and safe. That is what Celebrity Cruise Lines is doing. 

I want Pride to be celebrated not just in June, but every month. But I am excited about the June celebrations whether hosted in D.C. by Capital Pride, or on the high seas. While many of us will be at the D.C. Wharf, on June 10 to help the Washington Blade celebrate Pride on the Pier with spectacular fireworks, those who miss that and are on a Celebrity ship will be part of a Pride celebration as well. Their ships will all celebrate the month in various ways including flying a LGBTQ Pride flag. 

Celebrity has invited my friend, entertainer extraordinaire, Andrew Derbyshire, to lead the celebration on the Edge on June 13, in Ibiza. He recently quoted Celebrity, “In honor of Pride month and our continuing commitment toward fostering positive and authentic partnerships within the LGBTQIA+ community, Celebrity Cruises is raising the Pride flag to celebrate acceptance, unity, and support for the community. Each June, Celebrity Cruises hosts our annual Pride Party at Sea. Every ship takes part in the celebration that brings our crew and guests together to honor and celebrate Pride.” Andrew added, “I am happy to announce I will be flying to Ibiza on the 13th of June for a few nights, to host Pride on the Celebrity Edge, with my friend and captain, Captain Tasos, and the amazing team on board.” Andrew, like many of the entertainers I have seen and met on Celebrity ships, is encouraged to be who he is, ‘out’ and proud. 

The Edge will kick off Celebrity’s fifth annual Pride Party at Sea during its June 10, 2023, sailing. “The party will take place in tandem across the award-winning Celebrity fleet, with each ship ‘handing off the party baton’ to the next, to keep the festivities running across hemispheres and time zones. A variety of multi-generational LGBTQ+ focused programming will take place throughout the month of June. Together, officers, staff and crew around the world will participate in Celebrity’s signature Pride programming.”

You should know one of the things straight couples could always do on a Celebrity cruise is have the captain marry them. Now, since same-sex marriage became legal in Malta, where most Celebrity ships are registered, their captains can legally marry same-sex couples. After this happened the first legal same-sex marriage at sea, on a major cruise line, occurred on board Celebrity Equinox in January 2018 when the captain married Francisco Vargas and Benjamin Gray.  

Celebrity is a Florida-based company, and along with Disney, they are standing up for the LGBTQ community. They have been a Presenting Sponsor of Miami Beach Gay Pride for four years in a row. They continue to advertise their collaborations with gay cruise companies like VACAYA, which has charted the Celebrity Apex for a cruise of the Caribbean in 2024. The ship will be sailing with a lot of happy LGBTQ cruisers on Feb 17-24, 2024 for seven nights from Fort Lauderdale to Puerto Rico, St. Croix, and Antigua. For anyone who hasn’t been on the Apex, it is an amazing ship. While not during an official Pride month I will show my Pride along with many other LGBTQ travelers on Celebrity Beyond this October out of Rome, and on Celebrity Ascent in October 2024 out of Barcelona. The Ascent hasn’t even set sail yet. 

Let’s hope other companies will follow Celebrity’s lead and value the LGBTQ community. We are entitled to live our lives safely and to the fullest, as who we were born to be. 

Peter Rosenstein is a longtime LGBTQ rights and Democratic Party activist. He writes regularly for the Blade.

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Shawna Hachey of Celebrity APEX on what makes a good cruise director

A love of people is a must

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Shawna Hachey (Photo courtesy Hachey)

The position of cruise director on any ship is one of the most important, especially on a transatlantic voyage, like the recent one I took on the Celebrity APEX. So much of what people remember is the entertainment. Shawna Hachey is a great Cruise Director and I had the opportunity to sit and chat with her during the cruise. The job keeps her jumping and she is one of the busiest people on the ship. Shawna has a great bubbly personality. She likes people, which is a requirement for that position. 

Shawna shared she is from New Brunswick, Canada, and has come a long way from there. She has now been with Celebrity for nearly thirteen years. I kidded her that meant she must have begun when she was ten. She is actually a very young looking thirty-five. She graduated from the University of New Brunswick with a degree in fashion design, a passion of hers. Shawna told me when she graduated, she had the options of a job in the fashion industry, or working on a cruise ship.  Her dad was the one who suggested she go see the world and she ended up falling in love with cruise ships.

It is not an easy job. Her schedule is four months on and four off. The recent pandemic had her off the ship for a year and a half, during which time she worked in a government job back in Canada until Celebrity called her back. Her first contract after the pandemic, because of staff shortages, was eight months on and two off. But she loves the job. 

Shawna did the usual for someone in her position and worked her way up the ranks from activity host, to activity manager, to cruise director.  At one point she did something different and had a stint as a school teacher in London for a year, teaching kindergarten, but came back to cruising. I can just see her with those kids and am sure she was great. 

As Cruise Director she is responsible for organizing all the entertainment on the ship. That includes lectures, Zumba, game shows, silent disco’s, evening parties, resort deck parties and other games, as well as the back of house and theater tours. She works to ensure every traveler has something to keep them busy and having fun. As Shawna told me, that is always a little harder on a transatlantic cruise with so many sea days. But judging by the comments on the ship by so many of the people I met, she was doing a great job. 

The Cruise Director doesn’t get to choose all the talent, as Celebrity does the booking, but Shawna can and did request some approved acts. She loves working with those like the incredibly talented, Andrew Derbyshire. Many of us were excited he was going to be on our cruise. I first met Andrew, and wrote about him, last year when I was on APEX. He is an amazing entertainer. Shawna explained to me with the big shows like Crystalize and Tree of Life, Celebrity now produces those themselves and interviews talent for them around the world. One of the cast members in those shows, Nate Promkul, I predict will end up a star on Broadway. With the individual artists, their agents submit them to Celebrity, who then hires them for all their different ships. 

Before working on APEX Shawna has worked on a number of other Celebrity ships including Solstice, Reflection, Equinox and Silhouette. Shawna shared a story with me about Celebrity. They have always had a lot of crew from the Ukraine. Apparently, after the war began any crew members from Ukraine still working, were able to bring their families who could get out of Ukraine on board to live with them. This is a wonderful humanitarian thing to do. 

I enjoyed talking to Shawna and urge any cruiser on the APEX to say hello when you are onboard. She will always have a big smile for you. 

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Meet Captain Nikolaos Christodoulakis of the Celebrity APEX

Reflecting on life aboard a ship during COVID

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Peter Rosenstein and Captain Nikolaos Christodoulakis (Photo courtesy of Rosenstein)

It really was a pleasure to chat with Celebrity APEX Captain Nikolaos Christodoulakis who invited me to the bridge for a conversation. I learned he is quite an amazing man.  

Captain Christodoulakis told me Celebrity is the only cruise company he has ever been with and joined them twenty-eight years ago in 1994. While still a young man of 47 he has already been a captain for 12 years. In one of the many interesting lectures during the cruise, we were given a talk on how one can become a captain. How one moves up the ranks at Celebrity. We were told about all the education and testing required. The speaker, who was not yet a captain, kidded he would reach that goal by 2080. He then told us jokingly about the exception for those of Greek extraction. He said they received their captain’s certificate along with their birth certificate. When I mentioned this to the captain during our conversation he laughed and assured me he did have all the needed education and tests.  

Captain Christodoulakis told me proudly he is from the Island of Crete, and still lives there with his wife and eight-year-old daughter. A captain with Celebrity is on a schedule of three months on, and three months off. He said he loves those three months off when he can be with his wife and daughter, and the rest of his family, back on Crete. I told him I had been to Crete many years ago and thought it was beautiful and asked him if he had ever walked down the famous Samariá Gorge and he said he hadn’t.

Over his years with Celebrity, he worked on many ships, including Horizon and Century among others. His most recent ship was the Reflection, which he captained during the COVID pandemic. That was not an easy time for the cruise line. He was with Reflection for three years and during the pandemic spent part of the time with the ship sitting in the Bahamas, with a crew of less than 100. Just enough to keep the ship ready to sail again when he could welcome passengers back. I told him I was on the APEX last year on a transatlantic cruise out of Barcelona with only had 1250 passengers and a crew of about 1,000. He told me on this cruise there were 2340 passengers and a crew of close to 1200. The APEX can accommodate up to 3,400 passengers with a crew of 1,250. The captain agreed staffing back up has been difficult and complimented the Celebrity HR department who he said has been working overtime recruiting crew. 

I asked him about protections for the crew during the pandemic and continuing today. He said Celebrity has been really good about that and all crew on the APEX have been vaccinated and boosted against Covid and during this transatlantic cruise they were all getting flu shots. On this trip the crew was required to wear masks for their safety. During the sea days they were allowed to take them off when outdoors, so we could see their smiles.

I then asked him what he wants to do next after he stops being a Captain. He told me he loves being a Captain and really can’t see another career. He did tell me once he retires, years from now, maybe when his daughter is in college, he wants to get an RV, and drive across Europe with his wife, seeing all the sites at a slow and leisurely pace. Then would like to do the same going across the United States stopping at all the national parks. Sounds like a great retirement.  I asked if he often leaves the ship in the ports where it stops. He says he does if his wife and daughter are on board visiting, and anticipates them joining him for the upcoming holidays. When they aren’t with him, he gets off if he can get to a beach, or a place to swim and dive, which he loves.

I then mentioned there was a party that afternoon my friends and travel agents, Scott and Dustin, with My Lux Cruise, were hosting in the Iconic suite. He said he would enjoy coming to that. I thanked him for taking the time to chat, said I hope to see him at the party, and left the bridge.

I didn’t say anything to Scott or Dustin about inviting him. Not only did he come but brought the Hotel Director, Christophe, with him. They were incredibly open and gracious, taking selfies. Christophe told us he would be on the BEYOND when we do our next transatlantic cruise in October 2023. 

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