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		<title>By: Prussian Cakes</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/02/05/prop-8-trial-spotlights-clash-of-cultures/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Prussian Cakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Gabriel]

&quot;created based on a reasonable Societal need?&quot;
I&#039;m sorry but when my parents got married, I don&#039;t think they did so cause society was going through a crisis.  I think it was because they loved each other.

And that&#039;s what marriage is about: Joining the hands and of two people who love each heart and soul.  Marriage is an instituion for love; yes children are a output in most cases but you know what?  I bet you have a single mom living near you who never married but had a kid.

If marriage is a instituion for children then apparently all the people who had kids due to pre-marital sex are married.  Yeah I think I see a ring on every pregnant teen in my school.

And for your information, same-sex marriage doesn&#039;t eliminate pro-family ideals.  Why do you think same-sex couples wish to adopt?  To give a child a family.  I think that&#039;s pro-family there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Gabriel]</p>
<p>&#8220;created based on a reasonable Societal need?&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m sorry but when my parents got married, I don&#8217;t think they did so cause society was going through a crisis.  I think it was because they loved each other.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what marriage is about: Joining the hands and of two people who love each heart and soul.  Marriage is an instituion for love; yes children are a output in most cases but you know what?  I bet you have a single mom living near you who never married but had a kid.</p>
<p>If marriage is a instituion for children then apparently all the people who had kids due to pre-marital sex are married.  Yeah I think I see a ring on every pregnant teen in my school.</p>
<p>And for your information, same-sex marriage doesn&#8217;t eliminate pro-family ideals.  Why do you think same-sex couples wish to adopt?  To give a child a family.  I think that&#8217;s pro-family there.</p>
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		<title>By: LAW DEE DA</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAW DEE DA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gabriel--get a clue--YOU do not get to define marriage. In every equal rights movement it has upset those in power that someone else go the same right. Traditionally, women didn&#039;t vote either. You would probably come up with a good argument about why they wouldn&#039;t either. The institution of marriage is strengthened by adding same sex partners. Why have a bunch of people running around and not paring off and settling down into family units. It strengthens family units and reduces STD infection--for gay people, just like it does for straight people.
Your slippery slope argument about multiple partners has nothing to do with same sex marriage. Straight marriage opens the door to multi-party marriage just as much as a Gay marriage does. As someone that grew up Mormon, and who is straight, and a lawyer.....I&#039;m just glad that history will have me on the right side of this argument.
OH, and last I checked--Marriage is a fundamental right, one that has been denied to some for too long. in Loving v. Virginia, (which made it legal for black and white persons to marry) the district court gave a long schpeel about how it would be against God for blacks and white to marry, and was against nature...hum...who hasn&#039;t heard that BS right here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel&#8211;get a clue&#8211;YOU do not get to define marriage. In every equal rights movement it has upset those in power that someone else go the same right. Traditionally, women didn&#8217;t vote either. You would probably come up with a good argument about why they wouldn&#8217;t either. The institution of marriage is strengthened by adding same sex partners. Why have a bunch of people running around and not paring off and settling down into family units. It strengthens family units and reduces STD infection&#8211;for gay people, just like it does for straight people.<br />
Your slippery slope argument about multiple partners has nothing to do with same sex marriage. Straight marriage opens the door to multi-party marriage just as much as a Gay marriage does. As someone that grew up Mormon, and who is straight, and a lawyer&#8230;..I&#8217;m just glad that history will have me on the right side of this argument.<br />
OH, and last I checked&#8211;Marriage is a fundamental right, one that has been denied to some for too long. in Loving v. Virginia, (which made it legal for black and white persons to marry) the district court gave a long schpeel about how it would be against God for blacks and white to marry, and was against nature&#8230;hum&#8230;who hasn&#8217;t heard that BS right here?</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Whom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Whom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gabriel, you&#039;ve amply demonstrated that your position is internally inconsistent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel, you&#8217;ve amply demonstrated that your position is internally inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doctor Whom

1. No


2. My comparison was valid because Marriage is deaf blind and dumb to single people as it is to people who experience same sex attraction and relatives of close blood ties. I&#039;m  currently opted out of the Institution because I do not meet the minimum requirement. Neither do people who experience attraction to the same sex.

My comparison does not leave the door open for any form of Discrimination. If people think it will strengthen/weaken Marriage to make it more exclusive for reasons of fertility then they should vote. The fact of the matter is that the position of gay Marriage proponents does open the flood gates to any type of interpretation turning Marriage into a complete sham. Why 2 consenting adults? Why not 3 or 4? Once you argue that Marriage isn&#039;t about &quot;Men or Women&quot; &quot;Children&quot; &quot;Love&quot; &quot;Exclusivity&quot; &quot;commitment&quot; as has been argued by proponents of Gay marriage  then you&#039;ve turned the Institution of Marriage into something else entirely. A sham.

Marriage wasn&#039;t instituted because the government cares about which consenting adult you give your Valentines day card to. It was created based on a reasonable Societal need. An observable fact. When Men and Women come together, they bring about the next generation. The Love of a Man and woman has the power to bring about new life. Family.


You have the &quot;Right&quot; to believe in whatever you want no matter how delusional it is and as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. However, It is not a &quot;Right&quot; for you to redefine for everyone and strip away the meaning of our most foundational pro-child, pro-family Public institution based on your delusion.

You don&#039;t like it? Vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor Whom</p>
<p>1. No</p>
<p>2. My comparison was valid because Marriage is deaf blind and dumb to single people as it is to people who experience same sex attraction and relatives of close blood ties. I&#8217;m  currently opted out of the Institution because I do not meet the minimum requirement. Neither do people who experience attraction to the same sex.</p>
<p>My comparison does not leave the door open for any form of Discrimination. If people think it will strengthen/weaken Marriage to make it more exclusive for reasons of fertility then they should vote. The fact of the matter is that the position of gay Marriage proponents does open the flood gates to any type of interpretation turning Marriage into a complete sham. Why 2 consenting adults? Why not 3 or 4? Once you argue that Marriage isn&#8217;t about &#8220;Men or Women&#8221; &#8220;Children&#8221; &#8220;Love&#8221; &#8220;Exclusivity&#8221; &#8220;commitment&#8221; as has been argued by proponents of Gay marriage  then you&#8217;ve turned the Institution of Marriage into something else entirely. A sham.</p>
<p>Marriage wasn&#8217;t instituted because the government cares about which consenting adult you give your Valentines day card to. It was created based on a reasonable Societal need. An observable fact. When Men and Women come together, they bring about the next generation. The Love of a Man and woman has the power to bring about new life. Family.</p>
<p>You have the &#8220;Right&#8221; to believe in whatever you want no matter how delusional it is and as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. However, It is not a &#8220;Right&#8221; for you to redefine for everyone and strip away the meaning of our most foundational pro-child, pro-family Public institution based on your delusion.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like it? Vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Whom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Whom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gabriel:

1. Were you a supporter of the &quot;Stop Sterile Marriage&quot; movement?

2. Your comparison with single people proves too much, since it could justify any form of discrimination in marital law.  It is also a good argument for privatization of marriage, which runs counter to what you&#039;re ostensibly arguing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel:</p>
<p>1. Were you a supporter of the &#8220;Stop Sterile Marriage&#8221; movement?</p>
<p>2. Your comparison with single people proves too much, since it could justify any form of discrimination in marital law.  It is also a good argument for privatization of marriage, which runs counter to what you&#8217;re ostensibly arguing.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article was written in a grossly biased manner.

And as far as some of the comments on here go...It&#039;s completely false to say that only recognizing  Marriage between a man and woman is based on hate, religion, and homophobia and nothing else..

The More the so called Equality camp tries to sell &quot;gay marriage&quot; as such, the more supporters will slip through their fingers. People are reasonable and you aren&#039;t going to win your way into anyones heart by insulting their intelligence or their beliefs.

Marriage despite it&#039;s religious ties has it&#039;s roots deep in observable facts. When men and Women come together and bond, their bond, unlike any other in the entire world brings about new life. Their love brings about new life. Hence Marriage came about to strengthen that bond and to protect those children. It&#039;s a celebration of Man and Woman of the possibility of new life. Marriage is an insitution for children. Man and Woman have the right of marriage.

People who experience attraction to the same sex are no more opressed than me, a single male for not participating in the institution of Marriage. I&#039;m single, i have no marital benefits, i&#039;m not opressed. I understand my place in Society and I like that there exists an institution to encourage the bond of men and women who bring about the next generation and nurture their offspring in that setting.

To butcher that foundation for the wants of a very small minority is to turn the institution of marriage into a Sham for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was written in a grossly biased manner.</p>
<p>And as far as some of the comments on here go&#8230;It&#8217;s completely false to say that only recognizing  Marriage between a man and woman is based on hate, religion, and homophobia and nothing else..</p>
<p>The More the so called Equality camp tries to sell &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; as such, the more supporters will slip through their fingers. People are reasonable and you aren&#8217;t going to win your way into anyones heart by insulting their intelligence or their beliefs.</p>
<p>Marriage despite it&#8217;s religious ties has it&#8217;s roots deep in observable facts. When men and Women come together and bond, their bond, unlike any other in the entire world brings about new life. Their love brings about new life. Hence Marriage came about to strengthen that bond and to protect those children. It&#8217;s a celebration of Man and Woman of the possibility of new life. Marriage is an insitution for children. Man and Woman have the right of marriage.</p>
<p>People who experience attraction to the same sex are no more opressed than me, a single male for not participating in the institution of Marriage. I&#8217;m single, i have no marital benefits, i&#8217;m not opressed. I understand my place in Society and I like that there exists an institution to encourage the bond of men and women who bring about the next generation and nurture their offspring in that setting.</p>
<p>To butcher that foundation for the wants of a very small minority is to turn the institution of marriage into a Sham for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Boostava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boostava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At its very heart this is a Civil Rights issue more than anything. Under the constitution all Americans, regardless of race, religion, gender, and sexual orientation, should have certain rights guaranteed to them. The right to marry who you want to is one of those rights. As a Christian, I can&#039;t help but be in favor of overturning proposition 8 because it violates what I consider to be the greatest commandment that we teach: &quot;Love thy neighbor as thyself.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At its very heart this is a Civil Rights issue more than anything. Under the constitution all Americans, regardless of race, religion, gender, and sexual orientation, should have certain rights guaranteed to them. The right to marry who you want to is one of those rights. As a Christian, I can&#8217;t help but be in favor of overturning proposition 8 because it violates what I consider to be the greatest commandment that we teach: &#8220;Love thy neighbor as thyself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: luigee</title>
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		<dc:creator>luigee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully the Judge will make the right decision and overturn Prop 8.  The trial did a good job at pointing out the illogical and discriminatory reasons for Prop 8 - it&#039;s based on hate, religion, and homophobia and nothing else..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully the Judge will make the right decision and overturn Prop 8.  The trial did a good job at pointing out the illogical and discriminatory reasons for Prop 8 &#8211; it&#8217;s based on hate, religion, and homophobia and nothing else..</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Whom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Whom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jimmi street:  Here in America, we have something called separation of church and state.  If something is &quot;about relgion thats all and where you go when you die,&quot; then what business is it of secular government?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jimmi street:  Here in America, we have something called separation of church and state.  If something is &#8220;about relgion thats all and where you go when you die,&#8221; then what business is it of secular government?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jimmi street, if it&#039;s about religion and where you go when you die, then it doesn&#039;t have anything to do with you, or any other marriage for that matter, does it?

To clarify, my relationship, religion, and final destination are all mine. Who I marry, in your faith, may damn me, among other things. But it doesn&#039;t destroy you, correct?

Under that premise, you, and all the others who argue religious conviction need to keep perspective that, as the others have said, this does NOT affect you. It affects no one else. And you do not have the right to impose your religious views on me, especially when I consider how much more devout I am in my faith than most other Christians I&#039;ve met, particularly bigotted ones. There is no threat and justification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jimmi street, if it&#8217;s about religion and where you go when you die, then it doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with you, or any other marriage for that matter, does it?</p>
<p>To clarify, my relationship, religion, and final destination are all mine. Who I marry, in your faith, may damn me, among other things. But it doesn&#8217;t destroy you, correct?</p>
<p>Under that premise, you, and all the others who argue religious conviction need to keep perspective that, as the others have said, this does NOT affect you. It affects no one else. And you do not have the right to impose your religious views on me, especially when I consider how much more devout I am in my faith than most other Christians I&#8217;ve met, particularly bigotted ones. There is no threat and justification.</p>
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