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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 13:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The best opportunity to move forward on our agenda is the 2009-2010 cycle where we have a democratic President and control of Congress. There seems to be consensus that things are not going to be better with the fall elections.&quot;

That&#039;s pretty much over and done with. But I guess we still have Joe Solmonese&#039;s 2017 to look forward to. I hope he enjoys his paycheck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The best opportunity to move forward on our agenda is the 2009-2010 cycle where we have a democratic President and control of Congress. There seems to be consensus that things are not going to be better with the fall elections.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much over and done with. But I guess we still have Joe Solmonese&#8217;s 2017 to look forward to. I hope he enjoys his paycheck.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 13:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thing is, we&#039;re not just seeing a leadership vacuum on DADT, but also on ENDA. ENDA would help way more Americans than DADT but it&#039;s languishing in the press, in the leading LGBT organizations, and in Congress.

I wonder how Joe Solomese feels about reassuring us that by 2017 all will be golden for our people. That was before the mishandled health care debate, the needless insistence on bipartisanship, and the summer of discontent.

And now we will have to go back and wait for the Republicans to have 16 years in power, to see if they&#039;ll screw up enough to give us a chance. Another opportunity squandered, another set of promises unmet.

For those who still have faith in Barack O, ask youself if he really is a &#039;fierce advocate for gays and lesbians.&#039; His words. Not mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, we&#8217;re not just seeing a leadership vacuum on DADT, but also on ENDA. ENDA would help way more Americans than DADT but it&#8217;s languishing in the press, in the leading LGBT organizations, and in Congress.</p>
<p>I wonder how Joe Solomese feels about reassuring us that by 2017 all will be golden for our people. That was before the mishandled health care debate, the needless insistence on bipartisanship, and the summer of discontent.</p>
<p>And now we will have to go back and wait for the Republicans to have 16 years in power, to see if they&#8217;ll screw up enough to give us a chance. Another opportunity squandered, another set of promises unmet.</p>
<p>For those who still have faith in Barack O, ask youself if he really is a &#8216;fierce advocate for gays and lesbians.&#8217; His words. Not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Stonewaller</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonewaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 23:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sure that Blacks would have liked Lincoln to free them during his first year in office, women would have liked Wilson to use his bully pulpit to endorse women&#039;s suffrage during his first year in office, labor would have liked FDR to support labor during his first year in office and antiwar activists would have liked JFK to withdraw the troops from Viet Nam during his first year in office.  Did Lincoln&#039;s failure to do so mean that he was throwing Blacks under the proverbial bus, that Wilson was throwing women under the bus, that FDR was throwing labor under the bus or JFK was throwing antiwar activists under the bus?

LGBT are fond of making a questionable and ahistorical comparisons to the experience of Blacks in America.  Same sex marriage is one example; repeal of Don&#039;t Ask Don&#039;t Tell is another.

While there may be those who participated in both the civil rights as well as Gay rights movements who think the analogy a good one, I do not know of any such persons.  I know that there cannot be too many.

That does not mean that LGBT do not deserve the same equal rights as much as any other group, it just means that comparisons are odious and that includes this one.

As a veteran of the civil rights and gay rights movements among others and given the general ignorance of LGBT when it comes to history in general, the law in particular and social justice movements in specific, I thought that a brief history lesson might be in order.

The truth is that President Truman was ambivalent about integration of the Army and politics played more of a role than morality in his ultimate decision to do so.

While politics has no doubt played a role in President Obama&#039;s handling of the DADT issue, I think it is fair to say that he is more morally committed to repealing DADT than Truman was to desgregating the military.

Much like Obama with respect to DADT, Truman appointed a commission regarding desegregation.  That commission recommended quick implementation for integration which Truman rejected and adopted instead a &quot;go slow&quot; approach which I am not defending.

Much like Obama allowing the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to undertake a year long study on how to implement the repeal of DADT, Truman allowed the military to work out the details and timetable for desegregation.

For the most part, Truman and his Secretary of War (Defense) Stuart Symington, yielded to the military.
It took 8 years to desegregate the military during the course of which segregated branches of the military and segregated units within the branches remained in place.

I have always advised against LGBT &quot;putting all their eggs (or sperm) in one political (or sexual) basket.&quot;  However, LGBT would be wise to recognize that we do not have the political power of Blacks, the voting number of Hispanics or the economic influence of the Jews.

Our sitting out the election will almost certainly not determine its outcome.  But it will affect our future.
Whether one chooses to endorse Democrats or Republicans,
failure to support either will leave us in an even more vulnerable position politically than we are already.

And that&#039;s okay, so long as we understand the reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure that Blacks would have liked Lincoln to free them during his first year in office, women would have liked Wilson to use his bully pulpit to endorse women&#8217;s suffrage during his first year in office, labor would have liked FDR to support labor during his first year in office and antiwar activists would have liked JFK to withdraw the troops from Viet Nam during his first year in office.  Did Lincoln&#8217;s failure to do so mean that he was throwing Blacks under the proverbial bus, that Wilson was throwing women under the bus, that FDR was throwing labor under the bus or JFK was throwing antiwar activists under the bus?</p>
<p>LGBT are fond of making a questionable and ahistorical comparisons to the experience of Blacks in America.  Same sex marriage is one example; repeal of Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell is another.</p>
<p>While there may be those who participated in both the civil rights as well as Gay rights movements who think the analogy a good one, I do not know of any such persons.  I know that there cannot be too many.</p>
<p>That does not mean that LGBT do not deserve the same equal rights as much as any other group, it just means that comparisons are odious and that includes this one.</p>
<p>As a veteran of the civil rights and gay rights movements among others and given the general ignorance of LGBT when it comes to history in general, the law in particular and social justice movements in specific, I thought that a brief history lesson might be in order.</p>
<p>The truth is that President Truman was ambivalent about integration of the Army and politics played more of a role than morality in his ultimate decision to do so.</p>
<p>While politics has no doubt played a role in President Obama&#8217;s handling of the DADT issue, I think it is fair to say that he is more morally committed to repealing DADT than Truman was to desgregating the military.</p>
<p>Much like Obama with respect to DADT, Truman appointed a commission regarding desegregation.  That commission recommended quick implementation for integration which Truman rejected and adopted instead a &#8220;go slow&#8221; approach which I am not defending.</p>
<p>Much like Obama allowing the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to undertake a year long study on how to implement the repeal of DADT, Truman allowed the military to work out the details and timetable for desegregation.</p>
<p>For the most part, Truman and his Secretary of War (Defense) Stuart Symington, yielded to the military.<br />
It took 8 years to desegregate the military during the course of which segregated branches of the military and segregated units within the branches remained in place.</p>
<p>I have always advised against LGBT &#8220;putting all their eggs (or sperm) in one political (or sexual) basket.&#8221;  However, LGBT would be wise to recognize that we do not have the political power of Blacks, the voting number of Hispanics or the economic influence of the Jews.</p>
<p>Our sitting out the election will almost certainly not determine its outcome.  But it will affect our future.<br />
Whether one chooses to endorse Democrats or Republicans,<br />
failure to support either will leave us in an even more vulnerable position politically than we are already.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s okay, so long as we understand the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Emm</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Emm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 21:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So 2dogs what you are saying is no matter what the democrats do you will vote for them. When civil rights becomes a matter of popular vote unless it involves skin color it seems to me the answer is clear, no money no votes and no rest until we have equality.

Here in Florida I can choose to vote for Charlie Crist for the Senate and hope that he doesn&#039;t stab me in the back any worse than the Democrat party has with Joe S. as a cheerleader.

Check for choices but be honest is voting for someone that hates you a little less maybe anymore helpful?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So 2dogs what you are saying is no matter what the democrats do you will vote for them. When civil rights becomes a matter of popular vote unless it involves skin color it seems to me the answer is clear, no money no votes and no rest until we have equality.</p>
<p>Here in Florida I can choose to vote for Charlie Crist for the Senate and hope that he doesn&#8217;t stab me in the back any worse than the Democrat party has with Joe S. as a cheerleader.</p>
<p>Check for choices but be honest is voting for someone that hates you a little less maybe anymore helpful?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1441</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 15:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong. We can sit it out. The consequences have proven themselves to really not be all that much worse than what we get by bankrolling and voting for a party that actually doesn&#039;t deliver on any of its important promises.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong. We can sit it out. The consequences have proven themselves to really not be all that much worse than what we get by bankrolling and voting for a party that actually doesn&#8217;t deliver on any of its important promises.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Rowley</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1440</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Rowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 06:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SkeeterVT; Your argument that we should not pursue equal rights because muslim extremists won&#039;t like it is embarrassing. the other nations that currently have troops in the middle east already allow gays to serve, England and Israel for instances, and that has never been the issue. American troops may be a target by terrorists, but not becuase of the DADT debate. I suppose we should kick all women out of the military because muslim extremists might not like that either, and we should always follow what they say, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SkeeterVT; Your argument that we should not pursue equal rights because muslim extremists won&#8217;t like it is embarrassing. the other nations that currently have troops in the middle east already allow gays to serve, England and Israel for instances, and that has never been the issue. American troops may be a target by terrorists, but not becuase of the DADT debate. I suppose we should kick all women out of the military because muslim extremists might not like that either, and we should always follow what they say, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 03:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SkeeterVT, as someone much more knowledgeable about the subject than me once said, &quot;War is Hell.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SkeeterVT, as someone much more knowledgeable about the subject than me once said, &#8220;War is Hell.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 00:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you.  It&#039;s amazing that we continually take abuse from the democratic party but return for more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.  It&#8217;s amazing that we continually take abuse from the democratic party but return for more.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 00:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would rather hold my head up high and deal with four or eight years of Republican Hell than give another Dollar or another vote to a Democratic candidate for any office in November OR in 2012 if they Fu@k us again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather hold my head up high and deal with four or eight years of Republican Hell than give another Dollar or another vote to a Democratic candidate for any office in November OR in 2012 if they Fu@k us again.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/06/will-we-remember-in-november/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, your rationalization for bigotry hasn&#039;t occurred to the rest of us.  Homophobic abuse, please.   So far we are the only ones that have engaged in homophobic abuse of war prisoners.


If only the Pentagon had put as much &quot;research&quot; into going to Iraq and Afghanistan as they are putting into DADT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, your rationalization for bigotry hasn&#8217;t occurred to the rest of us.  Homophobic abuse, please.   So far we are the only ones that have engaged in homophobic abuse of war prisoners.</p>
<p>If only the Pentagon had put as much &#8220;research&#8221; into going to Iraq and Afghanistan as they are putting into DADT.</p>
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