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Q&A with Dr. Anthony Fauci

Researcher talks about state of AIDS on eve of conference

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Dr. Anthony Fauci of the NIH has been involved in the fight against AIDS since the onset of the epidemic. (Photo courtesy NIH)

Dr. Anthony Fauci has been one of the key leaders of the U.S. government’s fight against AIDS for nearly 30 years. Since 1984, Fauci has served as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is an arm of the National Institutes of Health.

Although his work covers research into other infectious diseases, Fauci serves as one of the lead advisers to the White House and the Department of Health and Human Services on domestic and global AIDS issues, according to biographical information released by the NIH.

He has been credited with developing effective strategies for the treatment of people with HIV/AIDS as well as for the continuing effort to develop an AIDS vaccine.

Fauci spoke to the Blade this week about his hopes and expectations for the 19th International AIDS Conference scheduled for July 22-27 in Washington. About 30,000 people, including scientists, AIDS researchers, government officials, and AIDS activists from the U.S. and abroad are expected to attend the conference.

 

Washington Blade: Can you say something about what important scientific advances and research findings will emerge from International AIDS Conference in Washington next week?

Dr. Fauci: As in most international meetings of this size it is unusual for there to be a scientific breakthrough of pure scientific nature that hasn’t already been seen, discussed, and vetted out in the press. It is very unusual that a major league breakthrough would all of a sudden be totally timed for discussion at the meeting. So that’s not a negative comment or a positive comment. It just is what it is. Meetings like this have themes and they kind of crystallize and galvanize people around a particular theme.

The Vancouver [International AIDS Conference] in 1996 – the theme of that was the first time that we began discussing in earnest the issue of having a combination of drugs that would get the virus below a detectable level and what impact would that have on the longevity and the lifestyle and functionality of people. That was the big theme of that meeting.

The 2000 [International AIDS Conference] in Durban was can we start getting drugs that we know work in the developed world to the developing world when there were demonstrations in Durban, South Africa.

So rather than there being meetings where there are three or four scientific breakthroughs there really is a sort of consolidation or galvanization around a theme. So the theme of this meeting, as you know, is Turning the Tide Together. They’ve asked me to lead off the opening plenary session on Monday, July 23, with a particular approach to the meeting. In other words, to kind of set the scientific tone of the meeting. And that’s exactly what it is because the title of my talk is “Ending the AIDS Epidemic From Scientific Advances to Public Health Implementation.”

And what you’re going to hear throughout the meeting is various iterations in different regions, in different populations, different demographic groups about the challenges – the biological, behavioral and other challenges – of getting that done. So I’m going to talk about how we went from fundamental scientific discoveries to interventions that you could actually use to help people – mostly treatments and prevention – to how we began to implement them, first in the developed world and then in the developing world.

And now what the science-based possibilities are for actually ultimately ending the AIDS pandemic. Then you are going to hear in rapid succession after that either major talks or just minor presentations of details of that. Like Phill Wilson is going to talk about the perspective from the African-American community. Others will talk about it from different countries – Southern African countries, the Caribbean, Europe, Asia, etc. So that’s going to be the prevailing theme. And then obviously there are going to be other approaches about individual specific, more granular scientific issues like the challenges of an HIV vaccine. We don’t have a vaccine. Where have we come from? Where are we now and where do we hope to go? There are going to be a lot of discussions and panels on that.

There’s a satellite session before the meeting starts on toward an HIV cure. You know, what do we mean by a cure? How does a cure relate to the rest of the things that are going on? What are the scientific challenges of a cure?

So we have a bunch of things that are at the stage of having been developed and they just need to be implemented. So you’re going to hear a lot about implementing programs. And then there are a couple of still existing major scientific challenges, one of which is a vaccine and the other of which is a cure.

 

Blade: Can you say where we stand on both of those things?

Fauci: Well, with a vaccine we are probably closer than we are to a cure. A cure is still in the very, very formative stages of discovery because we’re not even sure if it’s possible and, if so, how we might go about doing that because of the very special characteristics of this virus. With regard to a vaccine, I still can’t predict when we’ll have one so it’s futile to even put a number on it. But we’ve already had one modestly successful vaccine trial a few years ago in Thailand in what was called RV 144. It’s a trial that showed there was about a 31 percent efficacy in the vaccinated people protecting them. Now that’s not good enough for prime time but since that time — and you’ll be hearing a lot about it at the meeting — there have been a number of projects that have tried to probe into what are the potential correlates of immunity. In other words, what did that vaccine induce in the people who were protected that you might build upon for the next generation of vaccines?

And there will be discussion about identification of certain types of anti-bodies in infected individuals which are called broadly neutralizing anti-bodies that might point us in the right direction of what we would be asking a vaccine to do. So those are some of the things that are going to be discussed vis-a-vis a vaccine.

The cure thing is going to be very basic, like understanding the nature of the HIV reservoir. Are there ways that we can eradicate that reservoir? If we can’t eradicate it are there ways we can either boost up the immune system or modify the host so that their cells are not susceptible to being infected?

 

Blade: Isn’t that what some of the current treatments do but not to a complete extent?

Fauci: Well they don’t cure it. The current treatments are absolutely sensational in their ability to essentially block the virus’s ability to replicate without eradicating it, but to the point where when people are staying on their medications there’s virtually an undetectable level of virus in the blood of those people.

 

Blade: Has that been progressing in the last several years?

Fauci: Oh yes, absolutely. The results of treatment and its effect – right now you can essentially mathematically predict a normal life span in individuals who get treated early enough in their infections so that their immune system isn’t completely damaged and they stay on therapy and continue to decrease the viral load. When I was seeing patients every day in the very early 80s — 1981, ’82, ’83 — the median survival of the patients was about six to eight months. Now if someone who’s 25 years old comes into the clinic with relatively recently acquired HIV infection, within the last six months or so, and you put them on appropriate therapy you can predict to that individual that they would likely live an additional 50 plus years.

That’s a spectacular advance in the translation of basic research into a scientific and clinical result.

 

Blade: Could you say a little about the announcement yesterday that the Food and Drug Administration has approved the use of the AIDS drug Truvada as a prevention drug for people who are HIV negative?

Fauci: I think you need to put the Truvada thing into the proper context. And the proper context is that Truvada has been proven by scientifically based evidence that it works in preventing infection in uninfected individuals if properly used. The one thing you need to make sure you emphasize — it is part now, since it’s been approved by the FDA, of a comprehensive combination package of prevention modalities. It is not to be used as a substitute for standard prevention like avoiding multiple sexual partners, avoiding risky behavior, the proper and consistent use of condoms. This is an additive approach. It’s a very important one because it’s the first time that the FDA has actually approved an anti-HIV drug for prevention rather than just for treatment.

 

Blade: Has the NIH looked into the use of Truvada as a treatment and how well it works?

Fauci: Oh, it’s been used as one of the best parts – you see, it isn’t the full combination but Truvada is probably the most frequently used component as part of a combination with another drug for the treatment of people who are already infected. So there is a wealth of experience with Truvada.

 

Blade: Are the side effects generally acceptable?

Fauci: They are generally mild, quite mild. If you look at the spectrum of approximately 30 drugs that are used for the treatment of infected individuals Truvada is way down on the list of minimal side effects. They’re not absent. No drug in the world has no side effects. But they’re generally rather mild – nausea, some abdominal discomfort, some diarrhea, perhaps some weight loss, an occasional headache. And only very rarely do you get toxicity like kidney toxicity. But in general if you rank it they’re relatively non-toxic drugs.

 

Blade: While most AIDS advocacy organizations appear to support the FDA decision on Truvada, some have raised strong objections. They say it could give the wrong impression that —

Fauci: Well that’s the reason why they say it’s not for everyone. It’s for people in high-risk categories who don’t seem to be responding to the other available prevention modalities. It’s not saying, OK, everybody out there that’s been trying to avoid infection — no sweat, go onto this drug and you can do whatever you want. That’s absolutely not what this means.

 

Blade: You’ve been involved in the fight against AIDS from the beginning. What is your sense of how our country has adjusted to AIDS over the past 30 years?

Fauci: I think that certainly the stigma that has been associated with this is much, much less than it was back in the early years. There’s no doubt about that. But in certain demographic groups it still lingers, particularly and unfortunately in the African-American population, where being gay and certainly being gay and infected carries much more stigma than you see in the white population. There’s no doubt about that and that’s probably one of the reasons why it’s difficult to get African-American people, men and women, into testing and counseling programs because of the fear of stigma or a variety of other societal factors – socio-economic conditions, etc.

So on the whole we’re doing much, much better but there are still certain subgroups of people that suffer disproportionately. Twelve to 13 percent of the population is African American. More than 50 percent of the new infections occur among African-American men and women, mostly of men who have sex with men.

 

Blade: What is your sense, then, in comparing all the risk groups that we know now, where does the category of men who have sex with men fit in today?

Fauci: That’s still the major demographic group in this country. Internationally it’s very heavily weighted toward heterosexual. In the United States, men who have sex with men is still the largest category of people who get infected.

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Choose U ambassadors share lived experiences with HIV, personal reflections, and insights

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The Choose U World AIDS Day panel brought together three longtime advocates living with HIV to talk about care, stigma, and what living with HIV over the long-term means to them. The conversation featured Jahlove Serrano, Joyce Belton, and Andrew Nichols, who have each lived with HIV for more than 20 years. News is Out hosted the event in partnership with Gilead Sciences.

“Co-created with community representatives from around the world, Choose U is comprised of inspiring examples of how the outlook for aging with HIV has dramatically changed,” Gilead shared in the recent launch of the program. “By focusing on the real-world experiences of people in different circumstances, Choose U spotlights individuals prioritizing starting and staying on HIV treatment, self-care, and overall strategies to help them lead healthier lives.”

The Choose U ambassadors opened with a clear message: Lived experience drives understanding.

Each panelist talked through the decisions, relationships, and periods of uncertainty that shaped their HIV care. They also described their approaches to HIV treatment and adherence, including the importance of staying on treatment to help lower the risk of HIV drug resistance. They reflected on the shifts they have seen in HIV treatment over the decades, the value of honest conversations with providers, and how staying engaged in care and on HIV treatment helped them lead longer, healthier lives.

The panel discussed U=U, which stands for “Undetectable equals Untransmittable.” Undetectable means there is so little virus in the blood that a lab test can’t measure it. Research shows that taking HIV treatment as prescribed, and getting to and staying undetectable, prevents HIV from spreading through sex.

The panelists also spoke about the emotional side of living with HIV over the long-term and the stigma they have faced. Joyce described a personal moment when her pastor visited her in the hospital and how that experience began her work educating her church community about HIV.

Jahlove talked about how his biological family reacted to his diagnosis. “When I disclosed my status, they told me that I put a shame on the family,” said Jahlove. When he shared his status with his peers, they responded with support, which gave him a sense of empowerment.

Andrew, a professional therapist, described how he has experienced stigma in dating and in his workplace, and why he turns to therapy for guidance. “Therapy has really helped me rebuild my confidence and realize my self-worth has to come from me,” said Andrew. “Then after that, I can help with the greater community.”

The panel closed with a message for others living with HIV: They encouraged viewers to start and stay engaged in HIV treatment and care, ask questions, and rely on supportive networks. Their stories show how starting and staying on treatment over the long-term, community, and affirmation can shape well-being.

A recording of the full 30-minute event is now available on YouTube, which you can access here.

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The harsh truth about HIV phobia in gay dating

HIV and stigma remain baked into queer dating culture

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Uncloseted Media published this article on Dec. 9.

This story was produced with the support of MISTR, a telehealth platform offering free online access to PrEP, DoxyPEP, STI testing, Hepatitis C testing and treatment and long-term HIV care across the U.S. MISTR did not have any editorial input into the content of this story.

By SAM DONNDELINGER | In his room, 19-year-old Cody Nester toggles between Grindr profiles on his phone.

As he senses chemistry with a match, he knows he has to flag something that could be a deal breaker.

“Did you see on my profile that I’m HIV positive?” he writes.

The reply arrives instantly.

“You’re disgusting. I don’t know why you’re on here.” Seconds later, the profile disappears, suggesting Nester is blocked.

“He went out of his way to say that. People could at least be more aware, ask questions, and understand the reality [of living with HIV] instead of attacking us,” Nester told Uncloseted Media.

“I would say 95 percent of people respond that way,” says Nester, who lives in Hollywood, Fla., and works at a Mexican restaurant. “The entire conversation is going fine. They’re down to meet up and then right when I mention [HIV], it’s always, ‘Oh no, never mind.’”

Some other messages he’s received include:

“You’ll never get anything in your life.”
“Why don’t you die?”
“Why are you on here?”

More often, it’s silence, a cold “No” or a sudden block.

“It’s like you’re a white fish in a school of black fish,” he says. “You’re immediately the odd one out.”

Even though Nester’s undetectable status makes it impossible for him to transmit HIV to partners during sex, he experiences stigma around HIV, something which nearly 90 percent of Americans agree still exists, according to a 2022 GLAAD report. And a survey shared in 2019 found that 64 percent of respondents would feel uncomfortable having sex with someone living with HIV, even on effective treatment. The emotional cost of this stigma is a significant barrier to intimacy and can result in a loss of self-esteem, fear of disclosure and suicidal thoughts.

What the science says — and why it doesn’t seem to matter

“The fear comes from antiquated ideas around HIV,” says Xavier A. Erguera, senior clinical research coordinator at University of California, San Francisco,’s Division of HIV, Infectious Diseases & Global Medicine. “A lot of people who are newly diagnosed still fear it’s a death sentence. Even though we have medications now to treat it effectively, and it’s basically a chronic condition, people haven’t caught up.”

Since 1996, antiretroviral therapies have developed to where they can suppress the virus to levels so low that it is undetectable in the blood, and thus not able to be transmitted to sexual partners. This is known as Undetectable = Untransmittable, or U=U. According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report from 2024, 65 percent of HIV-positive cases are virally suppressed.

Another line of defense is pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), which reduces the risk of acquiring HIV from sexual intercourse by roughly 99 percent when taken as prescribed. Approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 2012, the medication launched as a once-a-day pill and was hailed as a breakthrough as it transformed the sex lives of gay men, which had been shaped by decades of fear about HIV complications and about where AIDS came from.

“Internal logic doesn’t reflect what we know scientifically,” says Kim Koester, associate professor in the Department of Medicine at UCSF. “I was very optimistic when PrEP came out. The drug works, so why wouldn’t everyone use it?”

Even with PrEP use on the rise, less than 600,000 Americans used it in 2024, and Koester says skepticism and judgments about taking the drug persist.

“The phobia is pervasive,” Koester told Uncloseted Media. “People believe that others get the disease because of their lifestyle. … PrEP was supposed to be the antidote to the threat of HIV, reduce the anxiety, and make you more open to who you are and the sex you want. It’s supposed to be liberating. It is part of the answer. But it’s not enough. We don’t have enough people using PrEP for it to make the dent in the stigma we need.”

According to a 2023 study of seven informants living with HIV, public stigma stems from problematic views from society that those living with HIV are “a dangerous transmission source,” “disgraceful” and “violators of social and religious norms who have committed deviant behavior.”

Laramie Smith, assistant professor of Global Public Health at the University of California, San Diego, says this stigma is unwarranted and fueled by misunderstanding:

“With today’s treatments, it shouldn’t be a life-altering identity shift. It should be no different than, ‘I have diabetes.’ If you’re virally suppressed, it shouldn’t matter whether you’re friends with someone, whether you’re sleeping with someone — the science shows us that.”

How HIV phobia shows up online

Nester, who contracted HIV last year from a Grindr hook-up who insisted he was negative, says he is just starting to accept his diagnosis. “I didn’t go back on the apps for a long time after that. It messed with my mental health … realizing I’d have to take medication for the rest of my life.”

Since he started dating again this year, returning to apps like Grindr and Sniffies, he has faced a new normal. He tries to do everything “right” and disclose his status early. Even on his Grindr profile, he identifies as “poz,” slang for HIV-positive.

Still, he says most people ghost him once they find out. “The second I bring it up, it’s ‘No,’” says Nester. “The amount of discrimination you get … it’s always the same pattern. … People don’t know, and they don’t want to know. It messes with you.”

This discrimination may be fueled by a deprioritization of HIV awareness programs across the country. Earlier this month, the U.S. State Department did not commemorate World AIDS Day for the first time in 37 years. HIV prevention programs have been slashed, especially in conservative districts, and only 25 states and D.C. require both HIV and sex education. In many states, health curricula often lag behind current science and omit teaching about PrEP, gay sex and concepts like U=U. Research shows that Gen Z is currently the least educated generation about HIV.

“I could go all day explaining HIV, but people don’t want to listen,” says Nester, who is part of Gen Z. “People don’t want to learn about it; they just want to avoid it.”

HIV anxiety and public stigma shaped by history

Even in more progressive areas, stigma still exists. Damian Jack, a 45-year-old from Brooklyn, remembers sitting in an exam room in 2009 as a doctor explained how low his T-cell count was, which is a hallmark of HIV infection.

“I started hysterically crying,” he told Uncloseted Media. “HIV meant death. That’s what I thought.”

In 1981, when Jack was 1 year old, the first reports of a mysterious and deadly immune deficiency syndrome, which would later be named AIDS, appeared in the U.S. Growing up, Jack saw countless terrifying images of men on their deathbeds with Kaposi sarcoma, the purple lesions the media once called “gay cancer.” Public misinformation and fearmongering spread ideas that AIDS was a disease that “only gay men and drug users get.” And politicians often equated it with homosexuality and moral failure, calling it a “gay plague.” It wasn’t until September 1985, four years after the crisis began and thousands had died, that President Ronald Reagan first publicly mentioned AIDS.

Decades later, the emotional residue of that era and the shame associated with the virus lingers.

Hours after learning of his diagnosis, Jack faced his first encounter with rejection. He already had a date planned that night, and his doctor and friends encouraged him to go.

They had a great time until the date asked him: “Are you negative or positive?”

He told the truth.

“It was just understood there wouldn’t be a second date,” says Jack. “I remember thinking, ‘This is how dating is going to be now.’ I felt so anxious telling guys. It followed me everywhere. I don’t think that anxiety ever truly goes away.”

The emotional impact of HIV stigma

For those who are HIV-negative, experts say that “stigma’s whole design is to ‘other.’”

“The ‘us versus them’ creates that false sense of safety when it comes to HIV,” says Smith. “If I can believe that someone did something to deserve their diagnosis, and I’m not that [kind of person], then I’m safe.”

This othering is painful and can lead to shame, fear and isolation, and it is linked to a higher risk of depression and anxiety.

“If I’m undesirable, and that’s what those messages are communicating, that threatens your sense of safety, your sense of belonging and the fundamental desire we all have to be loved,” Smith says. “And that starts to reinforce the thinking that ‘I am not worthy. This virus that I have means that I’m not lovable. I am not safe showing up among other men.’”

“I pretend it doesn’t hurt, but some things do sting a little bit,” Nester says. “You start thinking, ‘Am I really that disgusting? Am I really that singled out?’”

When public stigma turns inward

“Internalized stigma is what occurs when applying the stereotypes about who gets HIV, the prejudice, the negative feelings, onto yourself,” says Smith.

In 2024, 38 percent of people living with HIV reported internalized stigma. And studies show that it can predict hopelessness and lower quality of life, even when people are engaged in care or virally suppressed.

Internalized stigma can also affect how people practice safe sex and communicate about the virus. A 2019 survey of men who have sex with men found that individuals who perceived greater community-level stigma were less likely to be aware of — and use — safer-sex functions available on dating apps, such as HIV-status disclosure fields, as well as sexual health information and resources.

“[HIV phobia] is probably the most intense, subvert bigotry I think you could experience,” Joseph Monroe Jr., a 48-year-old living in the Bronx, told Uncloseted Media.

On dating apps, men have messaged him things like, “You look like you’ve got that thing” and “Go ahead and infect someone else.”

Monroe has also dealt with misinformed people who rudely opine about how he contracted the virus: “Who fucked you? That’s how you got it, right?” people will say to him.

“You end up internalizing all these stereotypes about who gets HIV — that you were promiscuous, that you didn’t care about yourself, that you did something wrong,” says Smith. “You carry that in, and then you have to relearn: ‘No, I didn’t. This is just a health condition.’”

What HIV acceptance looks like and raising awareness

For those living with HIV, acceptance feels far away.

“You’re living under this threat of HIV and the threat that others find you threatening. It inhabits you socially and sexually,” Koester says. “People are hunkering down. Not putting themselves out there and having a mediocre quality of life. To have a sense of empowerment, you have to be legitimate and seen in the world and it’s hard to do that with the stigma that exists.”

Researchers say the path forward lies as much in conversation as in medicine.

Koester says she talks about HIV and PrEP anywhere she can, including in salons, cafes and restaurants. “Whenever I get into a cab with someone, I’m going to bring up HIV so the driver gets accustomed to hearing about it. … We have a long way to go in terms of exposure and awareness and every little bit helps.”

Part of this lies in increasing awareness through targeted marketing campaigns. PrEP is still profoundly misunderstood outside major urban centers, with uneven uptake among minority groups and usage gaps in the Bible Belt. And a 2022 U.S. survey found that 54.5 percent of people living with HIV didn’t know what U=U meant, and less than half of Americans agree that people living with HIV who are on proper medications cannot transmit the virus.

While eradicating stigma is slow, there is hope for acceptance.

Years after Jack’s diagnosis, in 2021, he told a man he was on a third date with that he was HIV-positive but undetectable. His date’s reply was almost casual:

“Oh — is that it? I thought you were going to say you had a boyfriend or something. I’m on PrEP. You’re fine.”

“It felt so good to hear him say that and accept me,” says Jack. “I was like, ‘This is my person. You’re my person.’” One year later, they got married.

Back in Florida, 19-year-old Cody Nester isn’t feeling this acceptance. He still scrolls past profiles that read “Only negative guys” and tries to ignore the hateful messages.

“It still hurts, but I know it’s coming from fear,” he says. “I wasn’t too informed about HIV before I got it. … When I got it, I really jumped into the rabbit hole and began to learn. I really do think [HIV and stigma] is because people are not knowledgeable. … When people don’t know details, they tend to get scared.”

Additional reporting by Nandika Chatterjee.

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Developing countries to receive breakthrough HIV prevention drug at low cost

Announcement coincided with UN General Assembly

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Philanthropic organizations on Wednesday announced two agreements with Indian pharmaceutical companies that will allow a breakthrough HIV prevention drug to become available in developing countries for $40 a year per patient.

The New York Times notes Unitaid, the Clinton Health Access Initiative, and Wits RHI reached an agreement with Dr. Reddy’s Laboratories to distribute lenacapavir. The Gates Foundation and Hetero brokered a separate deal.

Unitaid, the Clinton Health Access Initiative, Wits RHI, and the Gates Foundation announced their respective agreements against the backdrop of the U.N. General Assembly.

Lenacapavir users inject the drug twice a year.

UNAIDS in a press release notes lenacapavir in the U.S. currently costs $28,000 a year per person.

“This is a watershed moment,” said UNAIDS Executive Director Winnie Byanyima in a statement. “A price of USD 40 per person per year is a leap forward that will help to unlock the revolutionary potential of long-acting HIV medicines.”

The State Department earlier this month announced PEPFAR will distribute lenacapavir in countries with high HIV prevalence rates. A press release notes Gilead Sciences, which manufactures the drug, is “offering this product to PEPFAR and the Global Fund at cost and without profit.”

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