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‘Real O’Neals’ producer on new ABC comedy
Divorce, coming out, religion mix on new sitcom

Noah Galvin, left, as Kenny and Matt Shively as Jimmy on ‘The Real O’Neals.’ (Photo by Nicole Wilder; courtesy ABC)
ABC has struck ratings gold with quirky, off-beat family sitcoms dealing with serious issues in a comedic way such as “Modern Family,” “Blackish” and “Fresh Off the Boat.” Make way for “The Real O’Neals,” as it joins its fellow messed-up, yet endearing, families on the network.
From the outside, the O’Neals appear to be the perfect Irish Catholic family living in Chicago. But parents Eileen (Martha Plimpton) and Pat (Jay R. Ferguson) reveal they’re getting divorced, older brother Jimmy (Matt Shively) has anorexia, little sister Shannon (Bebe Wood) is a kleptomaniac questioning her faith in God and younger brother Kenny (Noah Galvin) drops the biggest bombshell of all — he’s gay. (The Blade interviews Galvin here.)
The show, which airs on Tuesdays at 8:30 p.m., is loosely based on sex columnist and It Gets Better founder Dan Savage’s life. The Blade spoke with producer Stacy Traub about Savage’s role as executive producer, casting the role of Kenny and toeing the line between Catholicism, gay identity and humor.
WASHINGTON BLADE: When casting for the character of Kenny, executive producer Todd Holland wanted the actor to be gay in real life. Why was that so integral to the show?
STACY TRAUB: I think it’s obviously better if the actor can bring their own personal experience to something. It was such a specific thing and a 15-year-old coming out in that way hadn’t been on TV. I think finding someone who was gay was very important to all of us. When you’re casting, you can’t ask somebody when they sit down. We really all loved Noah and he was cast because he was the best person for the role. The fact that he was gay, just for us, was an amazing bonus. He had his own story to share and it just brought an extra level of something. Like that kid on “Glee” who was in a wheelchair, but wasn’t really in a wheelchair. I understand that, but to have someone who has actually had that experience themselves just brings an extra layer to the role.
BLADE: How many episodes have been green lit and shot? How many scripts do you have written?
TRAUB: We’ve finished production for now. We did 13 episodes total, including our pilot. We’re waiting to hear about a potential next season.
BLADE: Kenny coming out to his conservative family is a big part of the show, but once he’s out, where is his character development going to go from there?
TRAUB: It’s kind of a coming-of-age story for the entire family because they’re all experiencing new things. We’re looking at it like he’s a 16-year-old kid dealing with the same things other 16-year-old kids are dealing with; he just happens to be gay. We’re trying to really normalize it. I think at home is where it’s most difficult because of his conservative family, and especially his mother, but at school we’re trying to tell stories about what kids go through at that age but with a twist.
BLADE: Like you said, the show is about the whole family and how they’re very religious and conservative, but have their faults. It’s very specific subject matter. Did you worry that having such a narrow focus, audiences might struggle to connect with it?
TRAUB: What I think ABC is really good at is the more specific the comedy, the funnier it is. Weirdly, I think it’s more universal because people can see themselves in these characters. Half of the country is divorced, or has had their parents divorce, so the fact that the parents are getting divorced is very relatable to people. So we just kind of come at it that way. I tweet and I watch along on Twitter and seeing the response is amazing. The amount of people who say “Oh my gosh, I’m Kenny” or “I have someone like Aunt Jodi in my life.” You realize it is specific but it’s somewhat universal.
BLADE: With Dan Savage as the executive producer, how involved was he creatively and were any of the storylines inspired by his real-life events?
TRAUB: It all kind of started with him and ABC wanting to do a story based on his childhood. Then when David (Windsor) and Casey (Johnson) came on, it became a step removed because anytime a new writer comes on they bring their own stuff to it. It is based on his coming out, but he came out 30 years ago, so it’s much different than today. But he lived in Chicago, his dad was a cop, so there are certain elements that are based on his life. Then there are a million things that all the writers we had on the show brought to it and made it their story as well. There’s one specific episode that was based on a story that he came to the room and told us. It was about a play that he was in. So we did a story that was specifically based on that. But then we have other stories that all the writers in the room share and then we have a bunch of gay writers, lesbian writers, people from Chicago, people who are Catholics, people who are divorced. So everyone adds their personal stories.
BLADE: Dan Savage has had some controversy over comments he’s made and some people have accused him of being transphobic. Was there a worry to have a family sitcom associated with him?
TRAUB: Most of that fear just had to do with his brand and “Savage Love” and we always knew that was not part of the show. We’re much more coming from the “It Gets Better” brand and I think people who don’t agree with Dan were immediately wanting to dismiss the show or say negative things about it, and those were people who hadn’t even watched the show. They’re talking about things he had said or things he had written. So I’d say across the board, the majority of people who watch the show are like, ‘Oh this isn’t the Dan Savage tone’ because he’s not a writer on the show in a day-to-day way.
BLADE: Given the show’s subject matter, it’s been called bigoted and anti-Catholic. How do you find the right tone? How do you know how far to take the jokes?
TRAUB: We think it’s a faith-affirming show. None of the stories are about the religion being silly or unnecessary. It is such a part of their lives. It’s the family grappling with how can we be Catholic and believe in these things and also accept Kenny and also get divorced. Many Americans today do have to struggle with those things. When you look at Jesus, we’re never making fun of Jesus. Jesus is someone Kenny turns toward to get advice from and we think that’s really a positive image of Jesus, not negative.
BLADE: With Kenny, part of the joke seems to be that he is a gay character. Was that a concern for you at all?
TRAUB: Because Kenny is so young, any kid that age is just trying to figure out who they are and how they’re going to represent themselves in the world. Girls go through it too. We weren’t looking at it thinking we want him to be distinctly gay. His coming out is a real coming out in that he’s trying to figure it out himself. What kind of person am I? How am I going to dress now that I’m out? Beforehand, when he was in the closet, nobody knew. It wasn’t like everyone thought he was gay and was waiting for him to come out. It was his own secret. So now that he is out, he is trying to figure out himself, how he’s going to be in the world and a lot of the episodes deal with that.
BLADE: Do you hope that this show can help a child growing up in a conservative household find a connection within the show?
TRAUB: That is really my greatest hope. That is what I truly love about the show. While we were making it we were trying to have fun and tell funny stories. It’s a comedy first and foremost. But the thought of a kid watching and seeing Kenny, relating to him and feeling heard or feeling brave enough to come out. Or a parent watching and recognizing their child in Kenny or recognizing themselves in the Eileen character and saying, “Wow maybe I’m being too close-minded” or “Look at how the family is handling all this crazy upheaval in their lives and they’re handling it with humor and underneath it all with love.” That is the most inspiring thing about the show, and really what I’m most proud of.

The cast of ‘The Real O’Neals’ from left are Noah Galvin, Bebe Wood, Martha Plimpton, Matt Shively and Jay R. Ferguson. (Photo by Nicole Wilder; courtesy ABC)
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Marc Shaiman reflects on musical success stories
In new memoir, Broadway composer talks ‘Fidler,’ ‘Wiz,’ and stalking Bette Midler
If you haven’t heard the name Marc Shaiman, you’ve most likely heard his music or lyrics in one of your favorite Broadway shows or movies released in the past 50 years. From composing the Broadway scores for Hairspray and Catch Me if You Can to most recently working on Only Murders in the Building, Hocus Pocus 2, and Mary Poppins Returns, the openly queer artist has had a versatile career — one that keeps him just an Oscar away from EGOT status.
The one thing the award-winning composer, lyricist, and writer credits with launching his successful career? Showing up, time and time again. Eventually, he lucked out in finding himself at the right place at the right time, meeting industry figures like Rob Reiner, Billy Crystal, and Bette Midler, who were immediately impressed with his musical instincts on the piano.
“Put my picture under the dictionary definition for being in the right place at the right time,” Shaiman says. “What I often try to say to students is, ‘Show up. Say yes to everything.’ Because you never know who is in the back of the theater that you had no idea was going to be there. Or even when you audition and don’t get the part. My book is an endless example of dreams coming true, and a lot of these came true just because I showed up. I raised my hand. I had the chutzpah!”
Recalling one example from his memoir, titled Never Mind the Happy: Showbiz Stories from a Sore Winner ( just hit bookshelves on Jan. 27), Shaiman says he heard Midler was only hiring Los Angeles-based artists for her world tour. At the young age of 20, the New York-based Shaiman took a chance and bought the cheapest flight he could find from JFK. Once landing in L.A., he called up Midler and simply asked: “Where’s rehearsal?”
“Would I do that nowadays? I don’t know,” Shaiman admits. “But when you’re young and you’re fearless … I was just obsessed, I guess you could say. Maybe I was a stalker! Luckily, I was a stalker who had the goods to be able to co-create with her and live up to my wanting to be around.”
On the occasion of Never Mind the Happy’s official release, the Bladehad the opportunity to chat with Shaiman about his decades-spanning career. He recalls the sexual freedom of his community theater days, the first time he heard someone gleefully yell profanities during a late screening of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and why the late Rob Reiner was instrumental to both his career and his lasting marriage to Louis Mirabal. This interview has been edited and condensed.
BLADE: Naturally, a good place to start would be your book, “Never Mind the Happy.” What prompted you to want to tell the story of your life at this point in your career?
SHAIMAN: I had a couple of years where, if there was an anniversary of a movie or a Broadway show I co-created, I’d write about it online. People were always saying to me, “Oh my God, you should write a book!” But I see them say that to everybody. Someone says, “Oh, today my kitten knocked over the tea kettle.” “You should write a book with these hysterical stories.” So I just took it with a grain of salt when people would say that to me. But then I was listening to Julia Louis-Dreyfus’ podcast, and Jane Fonda was on talking about her memoir — not that I’m comparing myself to a career like Jane Fonda’s — but she felt it was time to take a life review. That really stuck in my head. At the time, I was sulking or moping about something that had not gone as well as I wished. And I guess I kind of thought, “Let me look back at all these things that I have done.” Because I have done a lot. I’m just weeks short of my 50th year in show business, despite how youthful I look! I just sat down and started writing before anyone asked, as far as an actual publisher.
I started writing as a way to try to remind myself of the joyous, wonderful things that have happened, and for me not to always be so caught up on what didn’t go right. I’ve been telling some of these stories over the years, and it was really fun to sit down and not just be at a dinner party telling a story. There’s something about the written word and really figuring out the best way to tell the story and how to get across a certain person’s voice. I really enjoyed the writing. It was the editing that was the hard part!
BLADE: You recall experiences that made you fall in love with the world of theater and music, from the days you would skip class to go see a show or work in regional productions. What was it like returning to those early memories?
SHAIMAN: Wonderful. My few years of doing community theater included productions that were all kids, and many productions with adults, where I was this freaky little 12-year-old who could play show business piano beyond my years. It was just bizarre! Every time a director would introduce me to another cast of adults, they’d be like, “Are you kidding?” I’d go to the piano, and I would sightread the overture to Funny Girl, and everybody said, “Oh, OK!” Those were just joyous, wonderful years, making the kind of friends that are literally still my friends. You’re discovering musical theatre, you’re discovering new friends who have the same likes and dreams, and discovering sex. Oh my god! I lost my virginity at the opening night of Jesus Christ Superstar, so I’m all for community theater!
BLADE: What do you recall from your early experiences watching Broadway shows? Did that open everything up for you?
SHAIMAN: I don’t remember seeing Fiddler on the Roof when I was a kid, but I remember being really enthralled with this one woman’s picture in the souvenir folio — the smile on her face as she’s looking up in the pictures or looking to her father for approval. I always remember zooming in on her and being fascinated by this woman’s face: turns out it was Bette Midler. So my love for Bette Midler began even before I heard her solo records.
Pippin and The Wiz were the first Broadway musicals I saw as a young teenager who had started working in community theater and really wanted to be a part of it. I still remember Pippin with Ben Vereen and all those hands. At the time, I thought getting a seat in the front row was really cool — I’ve learned since that it only hurts your neck, but I remember sitting in the front row at The Wiz as Stephanie Mills sang Home. Oh my god, I can still see it right now. And then I saw Bette Midler in concert, finally, after idolizing her and being a crazed fan who did nothing but listen to her records, dreaming that someday I’d get to play for her. And it all came true even before I turned 18 years old. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and met one of her backup singers and became their musical director. I was brought to a Bette Midler rehearsal. I still hadn’t even turned 18, she heard me play and said, “Stick around.” And I’ve stuck around close to 55 years! She’s going to interview me in L.A. at the Academy Museum. Would I have ever thought that Bette Midler would say yes to sitting with me, interviewing me about my life and career?
BLADE: That’s amazing. Has she had a chance to read the book yet?
SHAIMAN: She read it. We just talked yesterday, and she wants to ask the right questions at the event. And she even said to me, “Marc, I wasn’t even aware of all that you’ve done.” We’ve been great friends for all these years, but sometimes months or almost years go by where you’re not completely in touch.
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D.C. LGBTQ sports bar Pitchers listed for sale
Move follows months of challenges for local businesses in wake of Trump actions
A Santa Monica, Calif.-based commercial real estate company called Zacuto Group has released a 20-page online brochure announcing the sale of the D.C. LGBTQ sports bar Pitchers and its adjoining lesbian bar A League of Her Own.
The brochure does not disclose the sale price, and Pitchers owner David Perruzza told the Washington Blade he prefers to hold off on talking about his plans to sell the business at this time.
He said the sale price will be disclosed to “those who are interested.”
“Matthew Luchs and Matt Ambrose of the Zacuto Group have been selected to exclusively market for sale Pitchers D.C., located at 2317 18th Street, NW in Washington, D.C located in the vibrant and nightlife Adams Morgan neighborhood,” the sales brochure states.
“Since opening its doors in 2018, Pitchers has quickly become the largest and most prominent LGBTQ+ bar in Washington, D.C., serving as a cornerstone of D.C.’s modern queer nightlife scene,” it says, adding, “The 10,000+ SF building designed as a large-scale inclusive LGBTQ+ sports bar and social hub, offering a welcoming environment for the entire community.”
It points out that the Pitchers building, which has two years remaining on its lease and has a five-year renewal option, is a multi-level venue that features five bar areas, “indoor and outdoor seating, and multiple patios, creating a dynamic and flexible layout that supports a wide range of events and high customer volume.”
“Pitchers D.C. is also home to A League of Her Own, the only dedicated lesbian bar in Washington, D.C., further strengthening its role as a vital and inclusive community space at a time when such venues are increasingly rare nationwide,” the brochure says.
Zacuto Group sales agent Luchs, who serves as the company’s senior vice president, did not immediately respond to a phone message left by the Blade seeking further information, including the sale price.
News of Perruzza’s decision to sell Pitchers and A League of Her Own follows his Facebook postings last fall saying Pitchers, like other bars in D.C., was adversely impacted by the Trump administration’s deployment of National Guard soldiers on D.C. streets
In an Oct. 10 Facebook post, Perruzza said he was facing, “probably the worst economy I have seen in a while and everyone in D.C. is dealing with the Trump drama.” He told the Blade in a Nov. 10 interview that Pitchers continued to draw a large customer base, but patrons were not spending as much on drinks.
The Zacuto Group sales brochure says Pitchers currently provides a “rare combination of scale, multiple bars, inclusivity, and established reputation that provides a unique investment opportunity for any buyer seeking a long-term asset with a loyal and consistent customer base,” suggesting that, similar to other D.C. LGBTQ bars, business has returned to normal with less impact from the Trump related issues.
The sales brochure can be accessed here.
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Alexander Skarsgård describes ‘Pillion’ in 3 words: lube, sweat, leather
Highly anticipated film a refreshingly loving look at Dom-sub life
Whether you’ve seen him in popular HBO series like “True Blood,” “Succession,” or “Big Little Lies,” the dynamic Swedish actor Alexander Skarsgård has that smoldering gaze that immediately draws viewers in.
Following in the footsteps of his father Stellan, (who just won the Golden Globe for “Sentimental Value”) the Golden Globe, Emmy, and SAG winner Skarsgård continues to be an actor who is fearless in the roles he takes on.
That courageousness is evident in Skarsgård’s latest film, the BDSM black comedy “Pillion,”which he also executive produces. He plays Ray, the handsome, hyper-dominant leader of a gay bike gang. The film was written and directed by Harry Lighton, and is based on the 2020 novel “Box Hill,” by Adam Mars-Jones.
“This was a small film by a first time filmmaker and it wasn’t financed when I read it,” Skarsgård told journalists at a recent awards news conference. “And I felt that, if I could help in any small way of getting it financed, I wanted to, because I thought it was such an incredible screenplay and I believe in Harry Lighton so much as a filmmaker. And it felt tonally unlike anything I’d ever read. It was such an exciting, surprising read.”
Skarsgård was blown away by the quality of the unconventional script. “When I heard BDSM relationship, biker culture, I expected something very different. I didn’t expect it to have so much sweetness and tenderness and awkwardness.”
For the sex scenes and nudity with co-star, Harry Melling — who excels in his portrayal as Ray’s submissive Colin — Skarsgård talked very early on with Lighton about how he wanted to shoot those scenes, and why they were in the film.
“I often find sex scenes quite boring in movies because a lot of the tension is in the drama leading up to two people hooking up, or several people hooking up, as in our movie. But what I really enjoyed about these scenes — they are all pivotal moments in Colin’s journey and his development. It’s the first time he gets a blowjob. It’s the first time he has sex. It’s the first time he has an orgasm. And these are pivotal moments for him, so they mean a lot. And that made those scenes impactful and important.”
Skarsgård was happy that Lighton’s script didn’t have gratuitous scenes that shock for the sake of just shocking. “I really appreciated that because I find that when this subculture is portrayed, it’s often dangerous and crazy and wild and something like transgressive.”
He continued: “I really love that Harry wanted it to feel real. It can be sexy and intense, but also quite loving and sweet. And you can have an orgy in the woods, rub up against a Sunday roast with the family. And that kind of feels real.”
One of the obstacles Skarsgård had to work with was Ray’s emotionally distant personality.
“Ray is so enigmatic throughout the film and you obviously never find out anything about him, his past. He doesn’t reveal much. He doesn’t expose himself. And that was a challenge to try to make the character interesting, because that could easily feel quite flat…That was something that I thought quite a lot about in pre production…there are no big dramatic shifts in his arc.”
For the film, Lighton consulted the GMBCC, the UK’s largest LGBT+ biker club, attending their annual meetup at which 80 riders were present.
“Working with these guys was extraordinary and it brought so much texture and richness to the film to have them present,” said Skarsgård. “They were incredibly sweet and guiding with us — I can’t imagine making this movie without them. I’d go on a road trip with them anytime.”
Added Skarsgård: “To sum up ‘Pillion’ in three words: lube, sweat, and leather. I hope people will connect with Colin and his journey, and come to understand the nuance and complexity of his bond with Ray.”
This year is shaping up to be a busy one for Skarsgård. “Pillion” premieres in select cities on Feb. 6 and then moves into wide release on Feb. 20. After that for Skarsgård is a role in queer ally Charli XCX’s mockumentary, “The Moment,” which premieres at the Sundance Film Festival. HIs sci-fi comedy series, Apple TV’s “Murderbot,” which he also executive produces, will begin filming its second season. And this weekend, he hosts “Saturday Night Live.”
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