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Webre’s farewell
Long-time Washington Ballet artistic director reflects

Septime Webre, artistic director of the Washington Ballet since 1999, says he worked to fuse classical ballet elements with contemporary and popular art during his tenure. (Washington Blade photo by Joey DiGuglielmo)
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Septime Webre didn’t plan on ‘The Little Mermaid,’ an Imagination Stage production produced in collaboration with the Washington Ballet, to be his swan song. It just kind of worked out that way.
But the 54-year-old co-choreographer says everything the Ballet has done this season — he mentions the April “Carmina Burana” performances and the “Bowie & Queen” rock show in May — as being fitting farewells. He wrapped his tenure at the Ballet this week and will join the S&R Foundation, a non-profit started in 2000 by Sachiko Kuno and Ryuji Ueno to support artists and scientists, as its artistic director.
During a Washington Blade interview, Webre — who lives in Adams Morgan with his partner of five years, Marc Cipullo — shared his philosophies, struggles and plans. His comments have been edited for length.
WASHINGTON BLADE: Why are you leaving?
SEPTIME WEBRE: I feel great about my accomplishments here. It’s grown amazingly. But particularly in the last few years, I’ve had a yearning to be in the studio a bit more. Being the director of a company, there are administration duties, PR duties, marketing duties, all that’s involved in overseeing an organization that has grown from a $2 million to a $12 million budget, so I had already been thinking that maybe another chapter would be interesting to really focus on creativity and less institution building for a while. That coincided with a blossoming of my work as a freelance artist in the last few years.
BLADE: Was the managerial aspect stultifying?
WEBRE: No. I’ve enjoyed all that institution building and felt like I wanted to do that while I was still somewhat young and energetic, or at least while my Grindr age was still young. I’m 54 but I skew young. I’m an energetic kind-of guy. So those duties weren’t stultifying, but they certainly got in the way of creating new work. In the last several years, I’ve done full-length ballets based on “The Great Gatsby,” on Hemingway’s “The Sun Also Rises,” last year I did a Washington Irving project and also “Alice in Wonderland.” These works have been much in demand over the last five or six years and I’ve also had some commissions by other companies.
BLADE: I assume the name recognition of these works helps?
WEBRE: That’s part of it but it’s also the return of narrative works in ballet after the era of modernism, which was my generation, and an aesthetic dominated by George Balanchine and Merce Cunningham. These were abstract artists and from the mid-century through the time I was dancing, serious choreographers really didn’t tackle narratives. It was not considered serious. But during my choreographic career, I began to tackle them because in many ways, it’s who I am. There’s something inside of me, this boisterous Cuban family and the brothers on the weekend, all we do is get together and drink cold Mexican beer and tell stories. So I was naturally drawn to these great books and they also happen to sell tickets.
BLADE: You were part of a larger trend with this?
WEBRE: I would say I was an early adopter of the return to narrative. … You could feel it in the air, particularly in the ‘90s. … It was a convergence of factors — the death of George Balanchine in the early ‘80s, we had been through modernism and that era and something new was needed. … Also just with the financial realities in the world, ballet companies were increasingly having to rely on box office in a financially challenging market and those story ballets sold better. … I was just on the front of a trend.
BLADE: How much of your work roughly has been choreographing vs. other duties at the Washington Ballet and did that change over time?
WEBRE: I’ve been creating a new work about every two years. That’s probably been the average. In the early years we did one a year, but they were smaller works. I would put my work into three different buckets. One is the creation of new ballet, the second is programmatic creativity, which I found really exciting. Curating repertoire, teaching, developing dancers, developing ancillary programs that are not creating ballets, but they’re really creative like the beerballet&bubbly series that brought thousands and thousands of Millennials in to watch rehearsals. … A third would be institution building.
BLADE: Did you ruffle many feathers along the way?
WEBRE: I never felt I ruffled feathers precisely, but I tried to push the envelope. I took over the Washington Ballet from Mary Day, who was 89 years old when I became the director. She was a fabulous visionary, but the company was a bit sleepy. She had a great aesthetic and she loved classical ballet and she loved new work, so there was a connection I had with her. But right away, the company began to grow. The audiences began to grow, we had standing ovations at every show the first run. In my first year, I took the Washington Ballet to Cuba, we produced a “Carmina Burana” that was, at that time, very unprecedented for us. Those first programs were so popular that a buzz developed very early on.
BLADE: You make it all sound so easy, though. What obstacles did you encounter?
WEBRE: Well, without a doubt our huge labor dispute in 2005. That was immense. We had grown so rapidly over the course of my first five years — the number of performances had probably doubled — we had grown, but the admin support hadn’t grown with it. …. We were working on a huge, new version of “The Nutcracker,” a huge project, and in the midst of that, the dancers very appropriately decided to join a union. That was the right time in our organization’s history to do that, but over the course of negotiating that first contract, which took a year, our “Nutcracker” was canceled and we lost a million dollars. The dancers were out of work for months and there was so much acrimony. We were in the Washington Post every day for 19 days, I think. …. But we were eventually able to settle it when we got the lawyers out of it. We settled in March 2006 and went back to work in April. That was a big one. …. Another challenge was in 2009 when the City Council eliminated earmarks. They rescinded that appropriation two months into our fiscal year and so suddenly we had a million dollar hole and we had to scramble. We had to cancel our “Nutcracker” orchestra to save $350,000 and we performed to taped music, just because otherwise we were not going to survive.

Septime Webre in rehearsal for ‘The Little Mermaid’ at the Washington Ballet studios on Wisconsin Avenue on June 10. (Washington Blade photo by Joey DiGuglielmo)
BLADE: What kind of learning curve did you have here?
WEBRE: I had some strong mentors and I was able to steal some of their ideas. But before this, although I had a little bit of training when I was a director for six years in Princeton, N.J., so my work there really impressed on me that you have to take your work with the audience a step further. You’re not in an ivory tower. You can’t just sort of hang the shingle and hope they’ll come and understand what you’re doing. You have to connect with them more deeply. I’d had some trial and error with that in New Jersey. So I came here with a conviction that the Washington Ballet had to connect with the social fabric of the city and we’ve done that in multiple ways with our outreach programs in Anacostia, Dance DC in public schools, beerballet&bubbly for young professionals, our Latino programs, etc.
BLADE: How have the dancers changed over the time you’ve been here?
WEBRE: About five years into my tenure here, just before the labor dispute actually, we’d never done any full-length classical ballets. No “Giselle,” “Coppelia” or “Don Quixote.” Mary Day never chose to do that because American Ballet was already doing that kind of repertoire at the Kennedy Center. I sensed a kind of unspoken inferiority complex around the organization. No one said it, but I could sense that the dancers thought we couldn’t handle it, our staff thought we couldn’t handle it, our audiences thought we couldn’t do it. A dancer’s career is so short, a dancer wants to dance the full repertory they were trained for, so I made a decision about four years in to slowly, methodically begin to introduce some full-length 19th Century classical works into the repertoire. … I think that helped us be seen as a grown-up company and that’s led to really, really high-powered dancers and a higher quality of dancer. Younger dancers today are coming in with a lot more technique and what a dancer can do now compared with 15 years ago or when I retired 20 years ago, oh my God — they’re doing all this crazy crap that hadn’t even been invented yet. Just like in athletics, the technique has risen, risen, risen.
BLADE: How has being gay affected your career or has it?
WEBRE: The dancers themselves are much less gay than the public imagines. … As I was getting into admin work and started working with board members … I actually found it to be an asset. This is going to sound very retro, but it gave me a kind of exoticism. … They were a lot of businessmen who didn’t necessarily have gay friends, so now they did and it made them feel good about themselves.
BLADE: Are classical works and pop/contemporary works strange bedfellows in the ballet world?
WEBRE: Well, “Giselle” sold significantly less well than “The Great Gatsby” or than “Bowie & Queen.” “Don Quixote” sold less than “The Sun Also Rises” or “The British Invasion.” What I found was that when classical, lofty art remained itself and didn’t get a bit dirty, it was less popular from a ticket sale standpoint. So we remained ballet, but we got down and dirty with Freddie Mercury wailing sometimes. That collision creates a buzz and a connection. … But things are always colliding and mixing in a postmodern world. I mean, I wish everyone loved “Giselle” as much as I do, but it’s also exciting because ballet is a language just like you use the same English language for Shakespeare, Emily Dickinson or Mad Magazine.

The cast of ‘The Little Mermaid.’ (Photo courtesy Imagination Stage)
Jesse Arnholz contributed to this interview.
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What ‘Queer Eye for the Straight Guy’ can still teach us
Producer David Collins on lasting impact of hit series
It’s hard to imagine where LGBTQ+ television would be without “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy,” the trailblazing reality series that premiered in 2003.
Each episode of this Emmy-winning show saw a group of gays converge on a struggling man — the titular straight guy — and offer nonstop wit while organizing his endlessly messy life. This program about a group of homosexual helpers took the world by storm, furthering the love of gay television begun by shows like “Will and Grace” but bringing it into the growing medium of reality TV. Of course, it wasn’t perfect; “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” often cast its experts less as multi-faceted queer folks and more as sources of early 2000s gay jokes. But despite these pitfalls, it’s undeniable that the original program explored the realities of being gay in a way audiences had never seen before. It was a monumental piece of LGBTQ+ representation, and its success is largely owed to the man who fought to get this show made: producer David Collins.
Collins spoke with the Blade from his Los Angeles home, where he’s spent the past few years living with his husband and his two daughters. David spoke fondly of his many years in the industry, detailing how it feels to be such a huge part of LGBTQ+ history. He explained, however, that he didn’t initially set out to alter how queer people were seen on television. “I never went out to make gay television,” said the producer. “I went out to tell great stories.”
“I’m a hillbilly from Ohio, and I thought I was going to be an editor,” David laughed, looking back on his career. “I interned at the Cincinnati Film Office, and I showed up to work my very first day, and the film commissioner was like, ‘Get to the airport right now and pick [someone] up. Don’t talk to them.’ Well, I ended up picking up Jodie Foster.” Collins raved about this car ride that changed his life, with the pair becoming friends and Foster pushing him to become a producer who puts their own media out into the world. Eventually, he did just that, and after learning about the wild new genre that was reality TV, he pitched a series to Bravo: “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.”
“I was obsessed with Esquire magazine, and they had five categories: fashion, grooming, interior design, culture, food, and wine. So I gave them each a gay, and the Fab Five were born!” Collins said, describing how viewers quickly fell in love with the concept and earned the program four seasons and an Emmy for Outstanding Reality Program. He spoke about how proud he felt creating a show that centered real gay people, not characters in a story, remembering, “To stand in the middle of Times Square and look up and see this massive billboard with the original Queer Eye guys…it wasn’t even a dream come true, because it wasn’t a dream I had even fathomed.”
With his series, people were watching actual gay men and learning the realities of a queer culture that had always been portrayed as a danger to society. Collins tearfully recounted hearing about queer people using the show as a way to connect with their family, saying, “What I’m most proud of that’s come out of Queer Eye [are] the conversations that that series has allowed to have people around their kitchen tables with little boys in Ohio like me who were scared to death that they were going to burn in hell because their pastor was telling them that they were a sinner.”
Now, for all of its trailblazing, the program wasn’t wholly positive; the show’s focus on the central ‘straight guy’ meant it rarely delved into the lives of its Fab Five. Collins regretted that lack of depth but understood that earlier audiences weren’t accustomed to such a nuanced look into queerness — that would have to wait for the reboot.
When “Queer Eye” came out in 2018, audiences were introduced to not only a new Fab Five, but a whole new format (that didn’t rely on a straight person). Now, the series would assist queer folks and allies alike, spotlighting these individuals as well as the queer experts helping them improve their lives. The show has been applauded for its amazing makeovers, but where it truly stands out is its representation, offering a look into individuals across the country and the struggles — along with the immense joys — of being queer in America today.
Fans were disappointed to hear that “Queer Eye” would be ending after its 10th season, but David stressed that they wouldn’t have to be sad for long. “What I will say to you is this: hang tight,” he teased. “There’s yet another version of ‘Queer Eye’ to come, and we’re working on that now.” In the meantime, Collins is continuing his work with new shows like the “House of Stassi,” a series centered on “Vanderpump Rules’”prolific waitress. He’s excited about these new projects, but emphasized that his heart will always belong to “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” and all that it continues to do for viewers 19 years after its finale.
“It’s not about your new outfit or your new couch or your new whatever. It’s about your humanity,” said Collins, speaking about the core lesson he hopes people take away from the Queer Eye franchise. “It’s about seeing yourself. It’s about dignity. It’s about how confidence breeds success.”
A valuable message that queer folks can benefit from even more now than they did in 2003. And, while it’s unclear just what lies ahead for this franchise, one thing is for sure: “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” helped people everywhere understand the power that exists within our queerness. It’s a truth that has impacted countless pieces of LGBTQ+ television today, and it’s one that Collins promises to keep alive through whatever hit show he creates next.
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Jason DePuy on coping with homophobia in ‘Big Brother’ house
First drag queen contestant on CBS show fought to stay positive
One week after Jason DePuy (known as Salina EsTitties on “RuPaul’s Drag Race”) was bullied and eventually evicted from CBS’s “Big Brother” house, the queer drag performer is still emotionally processing his feelings.
During his 24 days in the reality TV competition, DePuy often had a rough time, with fellow cast member Kamuela “Kamu” Kirk making homophobic comments and feeling isolated.
In a conversation with Head of Household Rick Devens, Kirk left viewers upset when he said, “Bro, miss me with the drag stuff. Miss me. I’m still an MMA guy, and I have an image to uphold.”
Former “Big Brother” contestant Frankie Grande called his words ‘homophobic’ and ‘gross.’ Another comment, where Kirk said he wanted to end DePuy’s career, also received strong backlash online.
Now that he is out of the house, DePuy has been shocked and deeply touched by the love from “Big Brother” fans and former contestants. We chatted with DePuy for this Blade exclusive.
“To know that my community was rallying for me outside the house was the most wonderful thing. Seeing how much people were just wanting to shower me with love was incredible. Even my friends, I went to say hi and give them a hug, and they’re like, ‘Uh, uh, come here.’ They had to hold me and let me know America was feeling for me in a way that I had no idea.”
He added: “To see that reality was just overwhelming, and I couldn’t ask for more.”
Known as a messy player in the house, DePuy often had to fight to stay positive and stand up for himself.
“No one was coming to my rescue. In real life, it’s easy to block people, but in the house, I didn’t have that luxury, so I had to find it within myself to learn how to speak up for myself in a way that wasn’t nasty or biting. I didn’t attack anyone personally, which is what I was the most proud of.”
DePuy acknowledged he has had a history of putting his foot in his mouth when it came to certain “Drag Race”moments, being in the public eye, and making a fool of himself. “I’ve learned my lessons; to see how I handled myself in the ‘Big Brother’ house was amazing.”
While DePuy has been sober for 14 and a half years and has a strong spiritual foundation, in the Big Brother house, he often felt like he couldn’t communicate what he was feeling.
“As a queer person, a person of color, a drag queen, I have to be very careful about how I move. I don’t have the luxury or privilege to just act a certain way or say a certain thing. I have to be very careful; I’m representing me. But who I am is a Latino, a person of recovery, a drag queen, a queer person in the community. I know that there’s a lot of pressure that comes with that. I felt it was safer for me to sit there and just breathe than try to do anything crazy.”
He continued: “I couldn’t speak to the personal attack that was happening in the house, because in my mind I was like, ‘no, this is a game, and I have to play it, put that aside.’”
Not only can viewers watch the episodes, but they can also watch the live feeds of what’s happening. Seeing the fans’ social media posts from people who had watched the episodes and the live feeds also contributed to DePuy realizing that his feelings of discomfort were valid.
“To know that I wasn’t delusional in those moments, that others could see what was happening, has been a lot to take in. Fans and friends let me know the comments made went beyond the game…I’m like, ‘Oh, so my instincts were correct.”
One of the most poignant moments on the live feeds occurred when DePuy was crying, alone in his room, and said how he missed his gay community.
“I really missed my friends. I missed my queer community. We’re so colorful. We’re so loud. We’re so vibrant. We speak off the cuff, and we’re very truthful and honest with how we speak, and it’s fun. We have fun lingo.”
DePuy had to censor his expressions in the house. “Because I can say one thing, but it can mean something different to straight people than it does with my queer brothers and sisters. So, there was a sense of code-switching that I had to do. I had to even put aside some of my queerness in a way sometimes to fit in.”
DePuy was thrilled to be the very first drag queen to ever be cast on the show.
“I’m honored to have been chosen. There’s a million drag queens out there, and to know that I was a contender to come in the house and not even be in drag was like a wow for me. I’m over here in Hollywood, running around these streets with a wig and heels just to make a dollar to survive, and I have to rely on drag to do that. And then to be offered this opportunity and be given the privilege to say, ‘hey, you don’t have to put on the wig for you to be valuable here,’ is just insane to me.”
Prior to his shows, DePuy has been hustling for 15 years, flipping burgers and doing drag at night.
“That has been my life these past since I was 17. So it’s been a long journey; the opportunity to do this out of drag is a very big blessing. I’m honored and grateful to be the representation of my community.”
If you missed Jason on “Big Brother: Unlocked,” the episode can be seen on CBS.com. He will be back on the show for the finale.
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Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard
Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard
Last month’s Pride celebration in D.C. was so fun. Walking around my first Capital Pride with a $15 lemonade I was loving the madness and the color. Artists and small businesses battling banks you’ve never heard of collecting your personal information so you can spin a wheel to snag free merch. Great music blaring, people actually smiling and enjoying themselves, the “Great” American State Fair could never!
The Monument Stage was on Pennsylvania Avenue, directly in front of the National Gallery of Art and I can’t think of a better venue to see live music. How does someone get on the lineup for Pride? How do we accelerate the visibility of the most talented voices in our community to perform in places like this?
There is certainly not a talent gap, but there is a visibility gap. Chappell Roan went from playing for two people in a parking lot to owning the main stage at Coachella in one year. Whether it is shadowbanning or bias in AI, algorithms have been shown to suppress queer artists. In a digital age, how can queer people break through and show the world how talented they are?
Allison and Matt of Rainbows in Revolt are on a mission to make openly LGBTQ+ artists’ voices heard. Their goal is to find “musicians whose queerness is central to their identity as an artist,” and accelerate them to a place where they can actually reach fans.
The only time queer events seem to be in the spotlight is June, but this should be year round, according to Allison and Matt. Rainbows in Revolt wants to act as a “nucleus” for different sub-communities, finding common ground in the universal language of music.
Matt and Allison founded Rainbows as a way to make cheaper, higher quality merchandise for queer artists. While Rainbows has already pledged 20% of their profits to the LGBTQ+ community, with 10% to Whitman-Walker Health and 10% to LGBTQ+ organizations in need, this is just the beginning of the work that they do.
Rainbows “does the dirty work” that artists normally struggle to do on their own with limited resources. Interviews, artist profiles, social promotion, playlist discovery, radio outreach, and merch-funded support. This work is normally expensive, time consuming, and requires lots of different skills. Musicians don’t want to be editing clips to post online. Standup comedians don’t want to make graphics for their tour dates. They want to write more. They want to focus on their craft.
In addition to helping artists find their audience, Rainbows has built other digital tools to help queer people connect, including an interactive Safe Space Map for most major cities. It is hard to know which places are truly safe and supportive just from a simple Google search. Attitudes and actions change, and there should be a simple way for queer people to find other places that align with them. The Safe Spaces Maps are all up to date, and are tagged and filterable. Instead of relying on forums and word of mouth, Rainbows has created a centralized way to find authentic community quickly.
I had a chance to talk with Allison and Matt at Pride where Lily Erin, one of their signature artists, was performing on the Monument stage. Lily Erin is a folk singer who is familiar and forging her own path. Her bittersweet sound echoes through Acadia, and her garb mirrors the New England athletes I grew up with. Gorp Core meets streetwear. A graphic tee, hiking shorts, and creamsicle Jordans.
Her debut single, “Bus Stop,” tells a sad story about unconditional love, and the conditions that still seem to come with it. Graduating into lockdown, Erin needed a new way to connect with herself and others. Lily made “Bus Stop” without an intention to share it, but doing so was a liberation. People have been responding to her honesty around queer-ness, family, and the “ghosts which haunt us” even in the daytime.
Rainbows in Revolt has helped Lily Erin go from bars and backyards to The Monument Stage at Pride. This is a meteoric rise, and a testament to both Erin’s talent and the work of Rainbows to promote her. “A little encouragement goes a long way with early artists,” and by “planting a seed” Rainbows is already seeing their artist garden grow. Community is power, and Erin is a perfect example of how effective simple modern techniques of promotion can be.
A next step for Rainbows is putting on shows themselves. On Oct. 3, Rainbows in Revolt will host an Evening with Ray Boltz at the National City Christian Church. Boltz grew up in the Catholic Church and for many years was the soundtrack to many services, youth camps, and church groups. He was celebrated by millions until he came out in 2008. Allison remembers her community “never playing his music again.”
Rainbows in Revolt is helping him to return to the church, and proving that identity does not need to be exclusive. We live in a complicated world with complicated lines being drawn. Boltz proves that these lines don’t exist, and will be breaking down barriers to bring together communities. To Allison, “a trans woman standing next to a straight white man in church is a powerful teacher.”
The Safe Space maps bridge all types of spaces, and one of the unlikely ones is, perhaps, churches. Matt said that “BYU has only nine safe spaces around their campus and seven of them are churches.” Not all churches are anti-gay, and many times they are the only place for people to find community.
Rainbows in Revolt is just getting started bridging gaps and building community.
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