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Actress Marlene Forte dishes on her ‘Fear the Walking Dead’ role

‘I try not to judge my villain characters’

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Marlene Forte has probably been on everyone’s living room television at one point or another. Forte has built a 20-year career on guest starring and recurring television roles. From the role of Carmen Ramon on the TNT reboot of “Dallas” to a recurring role as the grandmother of Marianna and Jesus on “The Fosters,” Forte is no amateur to television work. Yet her role as villainous Celia Flores on “Fear the Walking Dead” has been her most chilling to date.

Celia is the former housekeeper and mother figure to Thomas Abigail (Dougray Scott), the partner of mysterious business man Victor Strand (Colman Domingo), and actual mother of Abigail’s right-hand man Luis. The second season of “Fear the Walking Dead” revealed Strand had led the group to Mexico so he could reunite with his lost love Thomas. Joining Thomas means the group must deal with Celia who has her own ideas about the dead who walk the earth.

Celia’s influence is quickly felt throughout the group as she preaches her dead-positive ideology, immediately taking drug addict Nick (Frank Dillane) under her wing. Not everyone is as enamored as Madison (Kim Dickens) grows suspicious of Celia’s connection to her son Nick and Strand battles Celia over Thomas’s death. The growing tension leads to Celia’s death by the hands of Madison at season’s end.

Washington Blade spoke with Forte about the mindset of a villain, working on a zombie show with a zombie fear and her thoughts on the first in-depth gay storyline in “The Walking Dead” universe.

Washington Blade: “The Walking Dead” is such a huge franchise. What was the audition process like for “Fear the Walking Dead” and were you intimidated at all?

Marlene Forte: Well, at this point in my life I don’t get too intimidated in auditions. I was excited as hell just because I knew the thing of it. And it’s really funny because I watched “Night of the Living Dead” when I was like 10 years old by myself. And I woke up one day at like ten o’clock in the morning and it was playing. It scared the shit out of me so much that I have stayed away from zombie things for a long time. I was like, “I don’t want to be cremated, don’t put me in the ground, I don’t want to come back.” My dad who is almost 80 is a humongous fan of “The Walking Dead,” “Fear the Walking Dead” and “Talking Dead.” He has been trying to get me to see it for years.

So I get this audition and now I have to. I had watched “Fear the Walking Dead” because I’m very good friends with Elizabeth Rodriguez who played Liza in the first season. I had seen that season and that was it. But before then, just to do a little more research, I watched the first season of “The Walking Dead.” I was hooked so quickly. Once I booked the job I went down to Mexico. I got down there and I binge watched all the seasons in three weeks. So imagine this, during the day I am shooting “Fear the Walking Dead” and at night I’m going home to gorge on “The Walking Dead.” It was like a drug. I loved these people and I wanted to know what was going on with these people. Now I’m having conversations with my 80-year-old dad who is like “I told you how great this show is! It’s not about the dead people!”

It’s ironic that I ended up getting this character because it took me so long to get over it. The hardest scene that I had to do was when my son comes back like a zombie. And I have to be close to him and the makeup is insanely great. And he’s drooling and there is blood spitting out and I’m like, “I’m going to throw up.” But it was like going to Disneyland on this show. It was so much fun.

Blade: A lot of Celia’s storyline was closely tied to Nick. What was it like working with Frank Dillane?

Forte: He’s mercurial. He’s amazing. I said to my husband, “If Johnny Depp and River Phoenix had a baby it would be Frank.” He’s got all that and more. He’s sweet, generous and polite. He’s going to be a superstar, watch out for him. It was lovely. The whole cast are powerful actors and it was a blessing. I’ve been doing this for 20 years and I don’t get excited about a lot of things anymore. I’m one of those actors who haven’t worked with too many uptight people and too many divas. But this was fun. It was like a paid vacation for me because I was delving into this whole new zombie world. Frank is phenomenal. I want to adopt him. What a nice man. And he’s got this great accent. I only knew him from watching the show. And at the table read I heard this London accent and I was like, “What? You don’t talk like that.” He’s very cute with that accent.

Another scene from 'Fear the Walking Dead.' (Photo courtesy AMC)

Another scene from ‘Fear the Walking Dead.’ (Photo courtesy AMC)

Blade: Celia has this cult leader vibe. You want to trust her, but she’s very creepy. In the finale Nick seemed sucked into her spiel about not being afraid of the dead. Do you think that affected his decision to leave his family?

Forte: Absolutely. I think she’s got him. Now of course, Nick’s character is a drug addict. These are people who are vulnerable human beings. Which she sees the minute he walks through the kitchen. She identifies him and goes after him. Like any good cult leader will do, right? She’s like, “Another one of my children, another one of my lambs.” But like he said at the end, “We caused this.” So he can now rightly or wrongfully move away from his family. It’s a pretty powerful moment when you see him walking with the dead like that.

Blade: Did Celia feel like the relationship between Thomas and Strand was genuine?

Forte: Marlene thinks their relationship was genuine. I’m not too sure Celia does. I think Celia thinks that Thomas was genuinely in love with Strand, but I don’t think she’s ever trusted Strand. I try not to judge my villain characters. Because the most warped human being doesn’t think they’re warped. They think they’re coming from a place that’s very logical in their head. In my background story, I don’t know if this is what the writers did, but Thomas was gay and his parents disowned him. So I have been taking care of him from a very young age. I’ve been his mom in my head since he was like 12, when he first realized that he was gay. In my head that’s why he’s my son. I took in him, I take in Nick and I take in anyone who is lost. And that’s how her culture formed; it’s the outsides of society. Her children.

Blade: You’ve also appeared on “The Fosters.”

Forte: Yeah, it’s a very different character. I played Cierra Ramirez’s grandmother. She is also a mom and also very loving, but completely on the other spectrum of Celia. The truth is that in my 20-year career those are really the roles that I’ve played. A lot of weepy moms, a lot of procedurals where I’m crying over some dead thing or another. The role of Celia is such a breath of fresh air because it’s something as an actress I can sink my teeth into. I love playing those other roles, but they’re very one or two-dimensional characters where you fit into a half-hour show. A character like this is almost like a play where there are so many layers. It was a different experience then you would have on a TV set.

Blade: What did you think about having such a large plot device revolve around a gay relationship on a show as big as “Fear the Walking Dead?”

Forte: I loved it. When I saw where it was going I thought “This is great.” Also, nobody made a thing of it which is kind of the way young people today are. Now my 80-year old dad, he doesn’t like it. He’s a good old Catholic Cuban. But my niece who is 21 doesn’t blink an eye. I like that it wasn’t beaten over the head or anything. It’s just part of the fabric. You love who you love. I’d rather them love each other than beating up each other or shooting up each other.

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Jason DePuy on coping with homophobia in ‘Big Brother’ house

First drag queen contestant on CBS show fought to stay positive

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One week after Jason DePuy (known as Salina EsTitties on “RuPaul’s Drag Race”) was bullied and eventually evicted from CBS’s “Big Brother” house, the queer drag performer is still emotionally processing his feelings.

During his 24 days in the reality TV competition, DePuy often had a rough time, with fellow cast member Kamuela “Kamu” Kirk making homophobic comments and feeling isolated.

In a conversation with Head of Household Rick Devens, Kirk left viewers upset when he said, “Bro, miss me with the drag stuff. Miss me. I’m still an MMA guy, and I have an image to uphold.”

Former “Big Brother” contestant Frankie Grande called his words  ‘homophobic’ and ‘gross.’ Another comment, where Kirk said he wanted to end DePuy’s career, also received strong backlash online.

Now that he is out of the house, DePuy has been shocked and deeply touched by the love from “Big Brother” fans and former contestants. We chatted with DePuy for this Blade exclusive.

“To know that my community was rallying for me outside the house was the most wonderful thing. Seeing how much people were just wanting to shower me with love was incredible. Even my friends, I went to say hi and give them a hug, and they’re like, ‘Uh, uh, come here.’ They had to hold me and let me know America was feeling for me in a way that I had no idea.”

He added: “To see that reality was just overwhelming, and I couldn’t ask for more.”

Known as a messy player in the house, DePuy often had to fight to stay positive and stand up for himself. 

“No one was coming to my rescue. In real life, it’s easy to block people, but in the house, I didn’t have that luxury, so I had to find it within myself to learn how to speak up for myself in a way that wasn’t nasty or biting. I didn’t attack anyone personally, which is what I was the most proud of.”

DePuy acknowledged he has had a history of putting his foot in his mouth when it came to certain “Drag Race”moments, being in the public eye, and making a fool of himself. “I’ve learned my lessons; to see how I handled myself in the ‘Big Brother’ house was amazing.” 

While DePuy has been sober for 14 and a half years and has a strong spiritual foundation, in the Big Brother house, he often felt like he couldn’t communicate what he was feeling. 

“As a queer person, a person of color, a drag queen, I have to be very careful about how I move. I don’t have the luxury or privilege to just act a certain way or say a certain thing. I have to be very careful; I’m representing me. But who I am is a Latino, a person of recovery, a drag queen, a queer person in the community. I know that there’s a lot of pressure that comes with that. I felt it was safer for me to sit there and just breathe than try to do anything crazy.”

He continued: “I couldn’t speak to the personal attack that was happening in the house, because in my mind I was like, ‘no, this is a game, and I have to play it, put that aside.’”

Not only can viewers watch the episodes, but they can also watch the live feeds of what’s happening. Seeing the fans’ social media posts from people who had watched the episodes and the live feeds also contributed to DePuy realizing that his feelings of discomfort were valid.

“To know that I wasn’t delusional in those moments, that others could see what was happening, has been a lot to take in. Fans and friends let me know the comments made went beyond the game…I’m like, ‘Oh, so my instincts were correct.”

One of the most poignant moments on the live feeds occurred when DePuy was crying, alone in his room, and said how he missed his gay community.

“I really missed my friends. I missed my queer community. We’re so colorful. We’re so loud. We’re so vibrant. We speak off the cuff, and we’re very truthful and honest with how we speak, and it’s fun. We have fun lingo.”

DePuy had to censor his expressions in the house. “Because I can say one thing, but it can mean something different to straight people than it does with my queer brothers and sisters. So, there was a sense of code-switching that I had to do. I had to even put aside some of my queerness in a way sometimes to fit in.”

DePuy was thrilled to be the very first drag queen to ever be cast on the show. 

“I’m honored to have been chosen. There’s a million drag queens out there, and to know that I was a contender to come in the house and not even be in drag was like a wow for me. I’m over here in Hollywood, running around these streets with a wig and heels just to make a dollar to survive, and I have to rely on drag to do that. And then to be offered this opportunity and be given the privilege to say, ‘hey, you don’t have to put on the wig for you to be valuable here,’ is just insane to me.”

Prior to his shows, DePuy has been hustling for 15 years, flipping burgers and doing drag at night.

“That has been my life these past since I was 17. So it’s been a long journey; the opportunity to do this out of drag is a very big blessing. I’m honored and grateful to be the representation of my community.”

If you missed Jason on “Big Brother: Unlocked,” the episode can be seen on CBS.com. He will be back on the show for the finale.

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Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard

Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard

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Lily Erin, one of Rainbows in Revolt’s signature artists, performed at Capital Pride in June. (Photo courtesy of Rainbows in Revolt)

Last month’s Pride celebration in D.C. was so fun. Walking around my first Capital Pride with a $15 lemonade I was loving the madness and the color. Artists and small businesses battling banks you’ve never heard of collecting your personal information so you can spin a wheel to snag free merch. Great music blaring, people actually smiling and enjoying themselves, the “Great” American State Fair could never!

The Monument Stage was on Pennsylvania Avenue, directly in front of the National Gallery of Art and I can’t think of a better venue to see live music. How does someone get on the lineup for Pride? How do we accelerate the visibility of the most talented voices in our community to perform in places like this?

There is certainly not a talent gap, but there is a visibility gap. Chappell Roan went from playing for two people in a parking lot to owning the main stage at Coachella in one year. Whether it is shadowbanning or bias in AI, algorithms have been shown to suppress queer artists. In a digital age, how can queer people break through and show the world how talented they are?

Allison and Matt of Rainbows in Revolt are on a mission to make openly LGBTQ+ artists’ voices heard. Their goal is to find “musicians whose queerness is central to their identity as an artist,” and accelerate them to a place where they can actually reach fans.

The only time queer events seem to be in the spotlight is June, but this should be year round, according to Allison and Matt. Rainbows in Revolt wants to act as a “nucleus” for different sub-communities, finding common ground in the universal language of music.

Matt and Allison founded Rainbows as a way to make cheaper, higher quality merchandise for queer artists. While Rainbows has already pledged 20% of their profits to the LGBTQ+ community, with 10% to Whitman-Walker Health and 10% to LGBTQ+ organizations in need, this is just the beginning of the work that they do.

Rainbows “does the dirty work” that artists normally struggle to do on their own with limited resources. Interviews, artist profiles, social promotion, playlist discovery, radio outreach, and merch-funded support. This work is normally expensive, time consuming, and requires lots of different skills. Musicians don’t want to be editing clips to post online. Standup comedians don’t want to make graphics for their tour dates. They want to write more. They want to focus on their craft.

In addition to helping artists find their audience, Rainbows has built other digital tools to help queer people connect, including an interactive Safe Space Map for most major cities. It is hard to know which places are truly safe and supportive just from a simple Google search. Attitudes and actions change, and there should be a simple way for queer people to find other places that align with them. The Safe Spaces Maps are all up to date, and are tagged and filterable. Instead of relying on forums and word of mouth, Rainbows has created a centralized way to find authentic community quickly.

I had a chance to talk with Allison and Matt at Pride where Lily Erin, one of their signature artists, was performing on the Monument stage. Lily Erin is a folk singer who is familiar and forging her own path. Her bittersweet sound echoes through Acadia, and her garb mirrors the New England athletes I grew up with. Gorp Core meets streetwear. A graphic tee, hiking shorts, and creamsicle Jordans.

Her debut single, “Bus Stop,” tells a sad story about unconditional love, and the conditions that still seem to come with it. Graduating into lockdown, Erin needed a new way to connect with herself and others. Lily made “Bus Stop” without an intention to share it, but doing so was a liberation. People have been responding to her honesty around queer-ness, family, and the “ghosts which haunt us” even in the daytime.

Rainbows in Revolt has helped Lily Erin go from bars and backyards to The Monument Stage at Pride. This is a meteoric rise, and a testament to both Erin’s talent and the work of Rainbows to promote her. “A little encouragement goes a long way with early artists,” and by “planting a seed” Rainbows is already seeing their artist garden grow. Community is power, and Erin is a perfect example of how effective simple modern techniques of promotion can be.

A next step for Rainbows is putting on shows themselves. On Oct. 3, Rainbows in Revolt will host an Evening with Ray Boltz at the National City Christian Church. Boltz grew up in the Catholic Church and for many years was the soundtrack to many services, youth camps, and church groups. He was celebrated by millions until he came out in 2008. Allison remembers her community “never playing his music again.” 

Rainbows in Revolt is helping him to return to the church, and proving that identity does not need to be exclusive. We live in a complicated world with complicated lines being drawn. Boltz proves that these lines don’t exist, and will be breaking down barriers to bring together communities. To Allison, “a trans woman standing next to a straight white man in church is a powerful teacher.”

The Safe Space maps bridge all types of spaces, and one of the unlikely ones is, perhaps, churches. Matt said that “BYU has only nine safe spaces around their campus and seven of them are churches.” Not all churches are anti-gay, and many times they are the only place for people to find community.

Rainbows in Revolt is just getting started bridging gaps and building community.

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Summer in the City: Free exhibits, movies, more fill D.C.’s calendar

America 250 celebrations continue

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Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande star in ‘Wicked,’ screening Sept. 12 at Union Market. (Photo courtesy of Universal Pictures)

From late-night museum visits and outdoor jazz concerts to free movie screenings and America250 exhibitions, Washington’s summer calendar is packed with events that don’t charge admission. Here’s a look at some of the free activities happening across the District through September and beyond.

Museum exhibitions

The Renwick Gallery is presenting State Fairs: Growing American Craft, an exhibition that looks at unique and unconventional crafts from the 19th century to the present. It will run until Sept. 7, and admission is free. 

The Arts and Industries Building, located next to the Smithsonian Castle, is presenting the exhibition Voices and Votes: Exploring Democracy Across America. The exhibition features the development of American independence and what that has meant over time, beginning with the Revolutionary War. Admission to the museum is free, and the exhibition runs until Sept. 7.

The National Gallery of Art presents Dear America, an exhibit featuring more than 100 pieces of work, including letters, photographs, and drawings that depict American landscapes and depictions of freedom. The exhibition will run until Sept. 20.

The National Museum of Women in the Arts is exhibiting Burnished: Pueblo Pottery until Sept. 27. The exhibit features pottery from the Southwest, and while most of the pottery belongs to women artists, a few also reflect those who have advocated for women.

Extending past this summer, the exhibition ¡Puro Ritmo! The Musical Journey of Salsa will be at the National Museum of the American Latino until July 2028. The exhibition shows how Afro-Cuban music has become a staple in the U.S. Admission is free.

The Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Library will feature the exhibition District Vibes / American Pride: How DC Changed American Culture, which will highlight all of the ways D.C. has impacted American life. The exhibit will run until Sept. 27.

At the Folger Shakespeare Library, the exhibit Imagining Shakespeare: Mythmaking and Storytelling in the Regency Era will be on view through Aug. 2. All the portraits on display come from the Boydell Shakespeare Gallery in London.

The United States Botanic Garden will be open until 8 p.m. on Aug. 20 and Sept. 17, as part of America’s State Flowers: An America250 Celebration. The evenings will include live music, mocktails, ice cream, and snacks.

The National Gallery of Art Sculpture Garden will have extended hours, staying open until 8 p.m. Wednesday to Saturday until Sept. 3. 

Live performances

On Aug. 7, the postgame Nationals concert series will continue with Jordan Davis performing. To see the concert, guests just need to buy tickets to the Nationals game. 

Jazz in the Garden will run each Friday until Aug. 14. The event has free admission, but those interested have to enter a lottery due to the high demand for the event.

From May to October, Capital Harvest Market occurs every Wednesday from 10 a.m.-2 p.m. at the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center. The market features fresh foods, crafts, and recipes for unique dishes. A full list of vendors is available on Capital Harvest’s website.

Live! Concert Series on the Plaza will feature live performances at Woodrow Wilson Plaza until Sept. 25. The performances run Monday to Friday from 12-1 p.m. Admission is free to the performances. 

DowntownDC Live! at Anthem Row is running until July 30, with free performances every Thursday from 5:30 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. The final performance will feature HUE and a vintage flea market hosted by Get Flee Marketplace. 

Located in Adams Morgan, AdMo Vibe will present live performances every Thursday at 6 p.m. in Kalorama Park. Guests are encouraged to check out Adams Morgan before and after shows, and it is an event for all ages.

Other events

Union Market is hosting drive-in movies on Aug. 8, featuring “Monsters, Inc.”, and Sept. 12, featuring “Wicked.” On Aug. 8, the parking lot will open at 7:30 p.m., with the movie starting at 8:25 p.m. On Sept. 12, the parking lot will open at 6:35 p.m., and the movie will start at 7:30 p.m.

Sunset Cinema at the Wharf will also be available one day a month. On Aug. 12, “10 Things I Hate About You” will premiere, and on Aug. 26, “Project Hail Mary.” No tickets are necessary. 

The Library of Congress will also show movies. On Aug. 6, guests are invited to watch “Apollo 13.” The movie will be shown at 8 p.m., with additional live performances beginning at 7 p.m.

For fans of Asian media, the Okaton convention will be at Walter E. Washington Convention Center from July 31-Aug. 2. Festivities will include cosplay contests, skits, live music, and panel discussions.

Washington Spirit’s season also begins in August. The Spirit is Washington’s National Women’s League, with matchups occurring between the San Diego Wave, the North Carolina Courage, the Orlando Pride, and the Bay FC.

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