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Kathleen Turner on her new cabaret, gay icon status, Hollywood career and more

Busy actress dabbles in storytelling, opera, directing plays, keeping physically active

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Kathleen Turner is expanding her performance horizons. (Photo courtesy Arena Stage)

2019 Arena Stage Annual Gala
Tuesday, May 21
Arena Stage
1101 6th St., S.W.
202-488-3300

Not long after her movie star-making turn as femme fatale Matty Walker in ’80s thriller “Body Heat,” Kathleen Turner appeared at Arena Stage. She played Tatiana and Hippolyta in Shakespeare’s “A Midsummer Night’s Dream,” kicking off a long and satisfying relationship between the husky-voiced actor and the waterfront theater. 

Over the years, Turner has shone memorably in Arena productions like “Red Hot Patriot,” “Mother Courage and Her Children” and “The Year of Magical Thinking.” And now she’s headlining Arena’s annual gala with excerpts from her first cabaret, “Finding My Voice,” which debuted last year (gala proceeds go to Arena’s artistic and educational programs). 

Turner fulfilled her movie promise with “Prizzi’s Honor” and “The War of the Roses.” She received an Oscar nod for “Peggy Sue Got Married,” and Tony Award nominations “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof” and “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf.” But there have been setbacks too, including chronic illness and addiction issues. 

A big-name actor who has never lived in Hollywood, Turner isn’t exclusively one thing. She’s an activist whose ire has recently been reignited, a teacher and a self-described “citizen of the world.” 

Via phone from her Manhattan apartment, she talks about these things and more. 

WASHINGTON BLADE: Kathleen Turner in cabaret. Makes perfect sense. Was this long in the making? 

KATHLEEN TURNER: I first did it in London’s West End, and then brought it to Café Carlisle where they asked me to cut it down. It’s not about my singing. It’s about my storytelling. I’m still tweaking it. Actually, it wasn’t long in the making. And my decision to do it had a lot to do with Molly Smith [Arena Stage’s Artistic Director]. You’ll understand more when you come to the Gala and see me do it. 

BLADE: You’re an activist for, among other things, reproductive rights, and have volunteered with Planned Parenthood for decades. Any thoughts on the current assault on the organization?

TURNER: I was just shooting in Atlanta where the expletive governor (editor’s note: Turner’s exact words) signed the heartbeat bill. At six weeks a woman doesn’t even know if she’s pregnant or not. It’s obscene. So, I’m setting up a sit down with Planned Parenthood’s new president Leanna Wen to clarify what more I can do to help. I travel to affiliates and make myself available to speak, but I think all of us need to do more. 

BLADE: “Red Hot Patriot,” your one-woman show about the late Molly Ivins (the brilliant liberal newspaper columnist) was such a good time, but beneath the humor was there some political rage?  

TURNER: Absolutely, but that’s nothing new to me. Molly was and is very close to my heart. I adored her sense of humor and agreed with her political positions. We initially mounted “Red Hot Patriot” in Philly. Molly was a Texan, so for the very first performance we had a planeload of Molly’s fellow Texans from the ACLU, Texas Observer people, and her brother. Molly was a big-boned woman, but her brother was really big. He wrapped his arms around me and thanked me for keeping Molly alive. That was one of the most extraordinary things I ever heard pertaining to my work. 

BLADE: You brought “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf” to the Kennedy Center. You were spectacular as Martha.

TURNER: I was thrilled with the production and what we achieved.

BLADE: Is it hard to move from screen to stage?

TURNER: For me it’s always been theater. To my mind, film happened to me. And it was fun and I enjoyed the work tremendously. But with films, I never had the power or liberty and freedom that I have on stage.

BLADE: Is #metoo your Hollywood experience?

TURNER: I was fortunate. I became a star very quickly and didn’t have to deal with those kinds of predatory men. Today, I’m aligned with the Time’s Up movement. It’s about creating legal funds for women to fight back against harassment. That makes sense to me; my nature is to do something about the problem. 

BLADE: Now that you’re in your 60s, are you exploring new things besides cabaret? 

TURNER: Oh yeah. Not long ago I played a non-singing role in Donizetti’s comic opera “The Daughter of the Regiment.” I was the Duchess of Krakenthorp. The character is so selfish and absurd, a caricature of a comic villainess. It was great fun. To be surrounded by those voices is extraordinary. From my dressing room, I could hear the mezzo Stephanie warming up on one side, and the soprano, pretty Yolanda, on the other. And the house seats 3,800. It’s astounding. Another world altogether. And soon, I’ll be directing a new playwright whose protagonists are a woman in her 70s and another in her late 60s. You don’t see that a lot. 

BLADE: And how is the R.A. (rheumatoid arthritis)?

TURNER: Oh, you know, it’s an ongoing thing. Part of treatment is to keep moving. I find Pilates helpful. So I do that three times a week. And when spring comes, I bring my bicycle out of storage and ride along Hudson River Park, but never in the street. 

BLADE: I’ve heard you praise the work of your great friend Cherry Jones. What other working actors do you like?

TURNER: I don’t know a lot of the young ones because I don’t watch TV. I really liked Rachel Weisz in “The Favourite” though I didn’t like the film. And Emma Stone. She’s a courageous actress. I don’t see her hedging her bets and compromising like I see with so many others.

BLADE: I’m pretty certain that my favorite of your films is “Peggy Sue Got Married.” 

TURNER: It’s magical, isn’t it? That’s thanks to its director, Coppola. The dressing table scene is everything. The camera pulls back and I have a double echoing my movements. You can see the back and front of me at the same time and you accept it. Once you accept that you’re ready to go on the journey with her. 

BLADE: A surefire cure for the blues is your obscene phone scene from John Waters’ movie “Serial Mom.” 

TURNER: (Laughs.) I’m still asked to say those lines. I refuse. 

BLADE: Is that what started your gay following?

TURNER: Sure, it has a lot to do with “Serial Mom.” But recently, my daughter sent me a clip from “RuPaul’s Drag Race.” A contestant being attacked by the others bellows “In the name of Kathleen Turner, what is going on here?” I liked that. The references keep coming.

BLADE: What keeps you coming back to Arena? 

TURNER: That’s easy. It’s the quality of the people there. In 20 years, Molly [Smith] has made Arena into a full plant. When she directed me in “Mother Courage,” it was thrilling, and even when she’s not directing me, she remains deeply involved my work while I’m there. Also, the production people are top notch. And I like Washington. And Arena gets me an apartment over on 6th Street, I can walk everywhere. Lots of good restaurants and things to do. It’s always a nice time.

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‘Amm(i)gone’ explores family, queerness, and faith

A ‘fully autobiographical’ work from out artist Adil Mansoor

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Adil Mansoor in ‘Amm(i)gone’ at Woolly Mammoth Theatre. (Photo by Kitoko Chargois)

‘Amm(i)gone’
Thorough May 12
Woolly Mammoth Theatre
641 D St., N.W. 
$60-$70
Woollymammoth.net

“Fully and utterly autobiographical.” That’s how Adil Mansoor describes “Amm(i)gone,” his one-man work currently playing at Woolly Mammoth Theatre. 

Both created and performed by out artist Mansoor, it’s his story about inviting his Pakistani mother to translate Sophocles’s Greek tragedy “Antigone” into Urdu. Throughout the journey, there’s an exploration of family, queerness, and faith,as well as references to teachings from the Quran, and audio conversations with his Muslim mother. 

Mansoor, 38, grew up in the suburbs of Chicago and is now based in Pittsburgh where he’s a busy theater maker. He’s also the founding member of Pittsburgh’s Hatch Arts Collective and the former artistic director of Dreams of Hope, an LGBTQ youth arts organization.

WASHINGTON BLADE: What spurred you to create “Amm(i)gone”? 

ADIL MANSOOR: I was reading a translation of “Antigone” a few years back and found myself emotionally overwhelmed. A Theban princess buries her brother knowing it will cost her, her own life. It’s about a person for whom all aspirations are in the afterlife. And what does that do to the living when all of your hopes and dreams have to be reserved for the afterlife?

I found grant funding to pay my mom to do the translation. I wanted to engage in learning. I wanted to share theater but especially this ancient tragedy. My mother appreciated the characters were struggling between loving one another and their beliefs. 

BLADE: Are you more director than actor?

MANSOOR: I’m primarily a director with an MFA in directing from Carnegie Mellon. I wrote, directed, and performed in this show, and had been working on it for four years. I’ve done different versions including Zoom. Woolly’s is a new production with the same team who’ve been involved since the beginning. 

I love solo performance. I’ve produced and now teach solo performance and believe in its power. And I definitely lean toward “performance” and I haven’t “acted” since I was in college. I feel good on stage. I was a tour guide and do a lot of public speaking. I enjoy the attention. 

BLADE: Describe your mom. 

MANSOOR: My mom is a wonderfully devout Muslim, single mother, social worker who discovered my queerness on Google. And she prays for me. 

She and I are similar, the way we look at things, the way we laugh. But different too. And those are among the questions I ask in this show. Our relationship is both beautiful and complicated.

BLADE: So, you weren’t exactly hiding your sexuality? 

MANSOOR: In my mid-20s, I took time to talk with friends about our being queer with relation to our careers. My sexuality is essential to the work. As the artistic director at Dreams of Hope, part of the work was to model what it means to be public. If I’m in a room with queer and trans teenagers, part of what I’m doing is modeling queer adulthood. The way they see me in the world is part of what I’m putting out there. And I want that to be expansive and full. 

So much of my work involves fundraising and being a face in schools. Being out is about making safe space for queer young folks.

BLADE: Have you encountered much Islamophobia? 

MANSOOR: When 9/11 happened, I was a sophomore in high school, so yes. I faced a lot then and now. I’ve been egged on the street in the last four months. I see it in the classroom. It shows up in all sorts of ways. 

BLADE: What prompted you to lead your creative life in Pittsburgh? 

MANSOOR: I’ve been here for 14 years. I breathe with ease in Pittsburgh. The hills and the valleys and the rust of the city do something to me. It’s beautiful, it’ affordable, and there is support for local artists. There’s a lot of opportunity. 

Still, the plan was to move to New York in September of 2020 but that was cancelled. Then the pandemic showed me that I could live in Pittsburgh and still have a nationally viable career. 

BLADE: What are you trying to achieve with “Amm(i)gone”? 

MANSOOR: What I’m sharing in the show is so very specific but I hear people from other backgrounds say I totally see my mom in that. My partner is Catholic and we share so much in relation to this. 

 I hope the work is embracing the fullness of queerness and how means so many things. And I hope the show makes audiences want to call their parents or squeeze their partners.

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Jessica Phillips shines in ‘Penelope,’ a ‘pandemic parable’

Alex Bechtel was inspired to write about loneliness, waiting, separation

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Jessica Phillips in ‘Penelope’ at Signature Theatre. (Photo by Daniel Rader)

‘Penelope’
Thorough April 28
Signature Theatre, the Ark
4200 Campbell Ave, Arlington 
$40-$99
Sigtheatre.org

In the new musical “Penelope,” Broadway’s Jessica Phillips gives an unforgettable take on the title role torn from the pages of Homer’s “Odyssey” — more or less. Fortified by bourbon and backed by a Greek chorus of musicians, the character uncharacteristically steps out from the background to share her story surrounding two decades waiting on the island kingdom of Ithica for the return of her absent husband Odysseus. 

Sometimes described as a “pandemic parable,” the 70-minute work is based on composer/playwright Alex Bechtel’s personal experience. While separated from his partner during COVID, he was inspired to write about loneliness, waiting, and separation, a subject Phillips was eager to tackle. 

An accomplished Broadway actor and mother of two, Phillips, 52, is best known for memorable turns in “Dear Evan Hansen,” “The Scarlet Pimpernel,” “Next to Normal,” and “Priscilla Queen of the Desert.” 

Two years ago, she made news for coming out as queer after having long been identified as straight. Parts of the theater scene were caught a bit off guard, but only momentarily. Now, she lives in New York with her partner Chelsea Nachman, a theatrical publicist.“We share the same professional community but in very different roles. I think that makes life easier for us.” 

Currently enjoying an extended run at Signature in Arlington where the trees are in bloom, she spares time for a phone interview, starting off with“Perfect timing. I’ve just finished the last song on Beyonce’s ‘Cowboy Carter.’ Let’s talk.”

WASHINGTON BLADE: Increasingly, I hear artists report having been deeply changed by the pandemic. Did that have anything to do with your coming out in 2022?

PHILLIPS: Definitely. During the pandemic, those of us in the arts were in deep crisis, because our industry had collapsed in almost every way. At the same time, that space allowed us to be contemplative about where we were. For me, that period of time gave me the space to both come to terms with and confront those fears about saying who I was, out loud and publicly. 

BLADE: Did you have professional concerns?

PHILLIPS: Oh yeah, I was specifically worried about perception. Not so much about being queer but more what it meant to have come out relatively late in life. I had some fear around whether people would take me less seriously. 

At the same time, I was nervous about being fully transparent and worried about my privacy and being vulnerable. Like other women I knew, I was more comfortable dealing with traditional societal expectations in America. I grew up with those cultural expectations and thought of myself in those terms for a long time. 

BLADE: What changed? 

PHILLIPS: What’s been so freeing for me, I can confront how I took on those expectations and say I’m not going to let those determine how I live my life. I get to decide.

BLADE: There’s a lot of wonderful storytelling in “Penelope.” What’s been your way into that? 

PHILLIPS: My way of moving through the show is allowing this character to experience all five stages of grief. Humor, slapstick comedy, bargaining, denial. And ultimately acceptance and deep grief. 

When an audience is alive and invested, it’s palpable and elevates the storytelling. When an audience is having a thinking rather feeling experience that changes the tone of my storytelling and not in a bad way. 

It’s interesting how much they’re a part of everything. It’s really intimate. The audience is just six feet away. It’s a unique experience and we’re on this ride together. And I find this to be a really beautiful and satisfying experience that I’ve not had before.

BLADE: After Signature, what’s next for “Penelope”? 

PHILLIPS: That’s the million-dollar question. Hopefully we’ll take it forward to New York or tour it, but that requires willingness and money. I do think there’s a broad audience for this. It’s beautiful, unique, artistic, really emotional, and at the same time possesses an intellectual quality that’s missing from a lot of commercial theater these days.

BLADE: And what’s next for theater?

Phillips: I think one good thing that came out of the pandemic is that people like Alex Bechtel had an opportunity to create. In the next decade we’re going to see the results of that. I think we have some extraordinary things to look forward to. If a work like “Penelope” is any indication, we’re all in for something really good. 

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‘Nancy,’ soaked in ‘80s nostalgia, is ‘queer AF’

Mosaic production led by out director Ken-Matt Martin

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Ken-Matt Martin (Photo courtesy Martin)

‘Nancy’ 
Through April 21
Mosaic Theater Company at Atlas Performing Arts Center
1333 H St., N.E.
$53-$70
Mosaictheater.org

Set in 1985, smack dab in the middle of the Reagan years, Rhiana Yazzie’s “Nancy” is totally soaked in nostalgia: shoulder pads, high hair, Van Halen, etc. For some theatergoers, it jogs the memory and for others serves as an introduction to an alien era.

Out director Ken-Matt Martin describes the production (now at Mosaic Theater) as “queer AF.” He continues, “But that’s true with everything I touch. My aesthetics and interests are unapologetically queer. When you first walk into theater, you see a big ass picture of Nancy’s face. The whole play is kind of set on her face.”

Martin, who puts his age as “somewhere over 30,” gives a brief rundown via telephone: “‘Nancy’ places two women on parallel tracks and we get to watch them on a collision course. Esmeralda [Anaseini Katoa], a Navajo mother and advocate determined to improve the condition of her family and reservation. Her story is juxtaposed to that of Nancy Reagan [Lynn Hawley] who’s busy at the White House consulting with society astrologer Joan Quigley to help guide Reagan [Michael Kevin Darnall] and his administration. The women’s worlds come together over Nancy’s direct ancestral connection to Pocahontas.” 

The busy storyline also includes a moment surrounding Rock Hudson’s final days, a moment when well-coiffed, clothes-crazy Nancy was presented with the opportunity to make a difference but chose not to. 

“And the work doesn’t let Nancy off the hook,” adds Martin. “It’s a full meal of a play.”

Produced in partnership with New Native Theatre based in the Twin Cities, Mosaic’s epic offering, a very D.C. play about ancestry and ambition, almost looks at Ron and Nancy as cartoon characters but isn’t without empathy.  

Martin and Yazzie both love satire and absurdity; they enjoy comedy and things that are funny until they’re not. So, the evening shifts in tone as it moves into more serious areas, particularly an exploration of how the ‘80s and Reagan’s failed trickle-down agenda set the stage for many of today’s problems.  

The director’s way into theater was as a child actor. After successfully begging his mother to drive him from their native Little Rock, Ark., to a regional Atlanta audition, he booked an appearance on Nickelodeon’s landmark series “All That” and snagged an agent in the process. He continued to act for a time before becoming interested in other facets of showbiz. 

After graduating with an MFA in directing from Brown University/Trinity Repertory Company, Martin embarked on a terrifically busy schedule. In addition to freelance directing, he has helmed and helms various prestigious companies as artistic director and managing producer (Pyramid Theatre Company in Des Moines, IA, Victory Gardens Theater in Chicago, and was recently appointed Interim Artistic Director of Baltimore Center Stage and Arkansas Repertory Theatre.)

Currently an itinerant professional (Martin gave up his place in Chicago and hops from job to job where they house him), he says, “It can get a little old, but overall, not bad at all.” 

Next up, Martin is directing Olney Theatre’s production “Long Way Down,” the adaptation of a Young Adult novel by DMV native Jason Reynolds. “It’s a big regional tryout that after a limited engagement in Olney leaves for the Apollo Theatre in New York. I’m excited.” 

Martin is at home with plays that are tricky to stage, making him a good fit for “Nancy” with its multiple locations, scope, and scale. He’s enjoyed the challenge of the work’s collapsing time lines and the playwright’s tough, complicated, smart, and fast-moving language. 

“Perhaps most importantly,” he adds. “Rhiana has entrusted me with the opportunity to tell this very unique story, a story that can resonate with Native people and Native audiences. This part is very new to me as a director.”

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