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Kristin Chenoweth comes ‘Home’

Tony-winning legend weighs in on Sandi Perry and Harvey Milk

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Kristin Chenoweth says some of her biggest influences have been the gospel singers she listened to growing up. (Photo courtesy Strathmore)

Kristin Chenoweth

 

‘Coming Home Tour’

 

Friday, Jan. 29

 

8 p.m.

 

Music Center at Strathmore

 

5301 Tuckerman Lane

 

North Bethesda, Md.

 

$58-155

 

It’s a cliche, but Kristin Chenoweth needs no introduction.

Next weekend, the Tony-winning legend brings her “Coming Home Tour” to the Strathmore. We caught up with her by phone from New York.

WASHINGTON BLADE: You’ve been on the road with this show but it sounds like the Strathmore show will be a little different.

KRISTIN CHENOWETH: Yes, I’m probably doing some new stuff at the Strathmore including some stuff by Andrew Lippa, stuff we’ve been working on with his opera “I Am Harvey Milk” and a prequel to that that he did for me called “I Am Anne Hutchinson,” which is a continuation of that piece. But I’m always changing it up. It never feels like I’m doing the same show. I have a five-piece show, an 11-piece show and an orchestra show and I’m always changing it up and putting in new stuff which makes it fun for me.

BLADE: Do you feel a concert can work with the songs speaking for themselves or does the evening have to take you somewhere? What considerations are you thinking of when you craft your set list?

CHENOWETH: I never do the same set list twice because I want to make it special for each place I’m going to. That’s challenging for me musically and artistically. Sometimes I wish I weren’t built that way because I’d love to just park and bark, but I don’t know how to do that. I’m currently working on a couple new songs, a couple covers by some people we all know and love and there’s certain songs I will do so I don’t get shot. But I’m constantly switching it up. I have a Don Henley song now that’s making its appearance pretty regularly. Dolly’s making an appearance, Jerome Kern, goodness, Adele, Rodgers and Hammerstein. As you can see, it’s all over the map but I like it that way because it challenges me.

BLADE: I know you’ll be back to the Strathmore in April for the Harvey Milk work you just mentioned. How did you get involved in that?

CHENOWETH: About six or seven years ago, Andrew Lippa came to me and said he’d written this opera “I Am Harvey Milk” and he said, “I’ve written a soprano role for you.” At that time in my life, I wasn’t able to do it, which is a regret of mine. I really wish I could have. … They came to me again later and once again I couldn’t do it, I was in L.A. But the third time, they did it last year at Lincoln Center and I said, “I’m available and I’m making it work.” Then Andrew told me he was working on a prequel on a woman named Anne Hutchinson who was basically persecuted for being a thinking Christian woman. I loved the idea and the story. She had a lot of things going on in her life and she was judged and in some ways, I can relate. We started learning that actually yesterday and one song I may put in my solo show at the Strathmore. Andrew Lippa has been a huge part of my history and I’ve been somewhat of a muse for him and what can I say, I fall in love with his music every time he plays so I’m honored he’s written yet another thing for me.

BLADE: You’ve spoken of how (gospel singer) Sandi Patty is one of your heroes and inspirations. What was your favorite Sandi Patty album when you were growing up?

CHENOWETH: Her hymns collection. Especially her version of “It is Well With My Soul.” … I do one of her songs in my show and I love so many songs she’s done — “Love in Any Language,” “Via Dolorosa,” there are so many that I grew up listening to and I have the utmost respect for her. In fact we just sang together in Indianapolis. She sang “For Good” with me and it was a full circle moment because she was such a huge influence on my life so to get to sing with one of your idols, that’s pretty cool.

BLADE: Did you ever sing to her accompaniment tracks in church? Remember those tapes you used to be able to get from Christian bookstores?

CHENOWETH: Are you kidding, that was my orchestra. I say in my concert we had these little square things that we put in big machines we got from RadioShack. That’s how I got my music — theater, opera, pop. It was all from tapes.

BLADE: You have a master’s degree in opera yet it sounds like most of your influences were Broadway, pop and gospel. Would you have been happy with an opera career had things worked out that way for you?

CHENOWETH: I think I would have been happy no matter what because I’m one of those people who once I make a decision to do something, I pretty much don’t look back. But I think one of the reasons that musical theater fits me so well is that I’m an actor first. Not that opera singers aren’t, so many of them are, but what I love is character and character development and creating new roles, that’s what I love to do. It could be on film, television or whatever. I didn’t want to live in just one arena.

BLADE: Obviously you use your upper register all the time but some would say it would enjoy a fuller expression, perhaps, in opera. Have you ever thought about doing a classical album?

CHENOWETH: All the time. I would love to revisit some of the arias that were challenging for me and fun when I was starting out. Every once in awhile I do one in my show, so that’s not out of the complete realm of possibility.

BLADE: Lots of people can sing pop but not just anybody can do opera and you obviously could.

CHENOWETH: Amen, brother.

BLADE: Did you have any reservations about playing Maleficent (in last year’s “Descendants” for the Disney Channel) so shortly after the Angelina Jolie movie or was that a non-issue?

CHENOWETH: I knew the style and the way we were gonna shoot it, I knew the tone would be completely different so no, I didn’t have any trepidation. I mean look, Angelina and I couldn’t be any more opposite. Her one leg equals my entire body. She is an incredible actress. My Maleficent was for the Disney Channel and she sings, so I knew it would be different.

BLADE: Anytime push has come to shove between the evangelical Christian world and the gays, you’ve always come down on the side of the gays and sometimes paid a price for it. Sometimes it seems like the ice is thawing a little but other times it seems both politically and religiously things are becoming more polarized. Will evangelicals ever come around on gay issues?

CHENOWETH: Oh, I hope so. You know, I say in my concerts and it’s true, I say, I always gotta do a Jesus song because I’m a Christian. As an artist and as a person, that’s a big part of who I am but another big part of who I am is a gay rights lover … and that doesn’t always go hand in hand as you know.That’s not something that people necessarily agree with but as I always say, and I really mean this, I don’t want to be judged for what I believe, I just want people to enjoy my music. What would make me happy is if there was more acceptance and tolerance and love, not just to the gay community but to the Muslim community, to any community of people who are considered outcasts or not the quote-unquote norm. I just try to do what Jesus would do. I don’t always succeed. I have a lot of faults but I approach things from a love place and not a hate place so I hope we keep heading in that direction on this issue.

BLADE: Speaking of gospel singers, is it true that you once sang the Evie song “Four Foot Eleven” at a Baptist convention when you were 12?

CHENOWETH: You bet, that was one of the first songs I ever sang. If I’d known that was all the taller I’d get, I might have sung something else. Evie was also a huge musical influence on me growing up. You have to understand, music and church sort of for me went together and Evie Tornquist is somebody who still to this day, I wish I could just do an album of her and Sandi. I just loved her. She sang another song, “Live for Jesus/that’s what matters/when other houses crumble mine is strong/live for Jesus/that’s what matters/that you see the light in me and come along.” Those are the things that have kept me going.

BLADE: She was huge in the ‘70s, but today a lot of people don’t know her.

CHENOWETH: In my world growing up in Tulsa, everybody knew her. I think she is literally an angel’s voice on earth. Just like I view Eva Cassidy’s voice, Renee Fleming, Dolly, Judy, Julie, Sandi, Barbra — they’re all there and they’re all angels. To me, that’s how I imagine heaven and it’s a place I can’t wait to sing.

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What ‘Queer Eye for the Straight Guy’ can still teach us

Producer David Collins on lasting impact of hit series

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It’s hard to imagine where LGBTQ+ television would be without “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy,” the trailblazing reality series that premiered in 2003. 

Each episode of this Emmy-winning show saw a group of gays converge on a struggling man — the titular straight guy — and offer nonstop wit while organizing his endlessly messy life. This program about a group of homosexual helpers took the world by storm, furthering the love of gay television begun by shows like “Will and Grace” but bringing it into the growing medium of reality TV. Of course, it wasn’t perfect; “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” often cast its experts less as multi-faceted queer folks and more as sources of early 2000s gay jokes. But despite these pitfalls, it’s undeniable that the original program explored the realities of being gay in a way audiences had never seen before. It was a monumental piece of LGBTQ+ representation, and its success is largely owed to the man who fought to get this show made: producer David Collins. 

Collins spoke with the Blade from his Los Angeles home, where he’s spent the past few years living with his husband and his two daughters. David spoke fondly of his many years in the industry, detailing how it feels to be such a huge part of LGBTQ+ history. He explained, however, that he didn’t initially set out to alter how queer people were seen on television. “I never went out to make gay television,” said the producer. “I went out to tell great stories.”

“I’m a hillbilly from Ohio, and I thought I was going to be an editor,” David laughed, looking back on his career. “I interned at the Cincinnati Film Office, and I showed up to work my very first day, and the film commissioner was like, ‘Get to the airport right now and pick [someone] up. Don’t talk to them.’ Well, I ended up picking up Jodie Foster.” Collins raved about this car ride that changed his life, with the pair becoming friends and Foster pushing him to become a producer who puts their own media out into the world. Eventually, he did just that, and after learning about the wild new genre that was reality TV, he pitched a series to Bravo: “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.” 

“I was obsessed with Esquire magazine, and they had five categories: fashion, grooming, interior design, culture, food, and wine. So I gave them each a gay, and the Fab Five were born!” Collins said, describing how viewers quickly fell in love with the concept and earned the program four seasons and an Emmy for Outstanding Reality Program. He spoke about how proud he felt creating a show that centered real gay people, not characters in a story, remembering, “To stand in the middle of Times Square and look up and see this massive billboard with the original Queer Eye guys…it wasn’t even a dream come true, because it wasn’t a dream I had even fathomed.”

With his series, people were watching actual gay men and learning the realities of a queer culture that had always been portrayed as a danger to society. Collins tearfully recounted hearing about queer people using the show as a way to connect with their family, saying, “What I’m most proud of that’s come out of Queer Eye [are] the conversations that that series has allowed to have people around their kitchen tables with little boys in Ohio like me who were scared to death that they were going to burn in hell because their pastor was telling them that they were a sinner.”

Now, for all of its trailblazing, the program wasn’t wholly positive; the show’s focus on the central ‘straight guy’ meant it rarely delved into the lives of its Fab Five. Collins regretted that lack of depth but understood that earlier audiences weren’t accustomed to such a nuanced look into queerness — that would have to wait for the reboot. 

When “Queer Eye” came out in 2018, audiences were introduced to not only a new Fab Five, but a whole new format (that didn’t rely on a straight person). Now, the series would assist queer folks and allies alike, spotlighting these individuals as well as the queer experts helping them improve their lives. The show has been applauded for its amazing makeovers, but where it truly stands out is its representation, offering a look into individuals across the country and the struggles — along with the immense joys — of being queer in America today.

Fans were disappointed to hear that “Queer Eye” would be ending after its 10th season, but David stressed that they wouldn’t have to be sad for long. “What I will say to you is this: hang tight,” he teased. “There’s yet another version of ‘Queer Eye’ to come, and we’re working on that now.” In the meantime, Collins is continuing his work with new shows like the “House of Stassi,” a series centered on “Vanderpump Rules’”prolific waitress. He’s excited about these new projects, but emphasized that his heart will always belong to “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” and all that it continues to do for viewers 19 years after its finale. 

“It’s not about your new outfit or your new couch or your new whatever. It’s about your humanity,” said Collins, speaking about the core lesson he hopes people take away from the Queer Eye franchise. “It’s about seeing yourself. It’s about dignity. It’s about how confidence breeds success.”

A valuable message that queer folks can benefit from even more now than they did in 2003. And, while it’s unclear just what lies ahead for this franchise, one thing is for sure: “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” helped people everywhere understand the power that exists within our queerness. It’s a truth that has impacted countless pieces of LGBTQ+ television today, and it’s one that Collins promises to keep alive through whatever hit show he creates next. 

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Jason DePuy on coping with homophobia in ‘Big Brother’ house

First drag queen contestant on CBS show fought to stay positive

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One week after Jason DePuy (known as Salina EsTitties on “RuPaul’s Drag Race”) was bullied and eventually evicted from CBS’s “Big Brother” house, the queer drag performer is still emotionally processing his feelings.

During his 24 days in the reality TV competition, DePuy often had a rough time, with fellow cast member Kamuela “Kamu” Kirk making homophobic comments and feeling isolated.

In a conversation with Head of Household Rick Devens, Kirk left viewers upset when he said, “Bro, miss me with the drag stuff. Miss me. I’m still an MMA guy, and I have an image to uphold.”

Former “Big Brother” contestant Frankie Grande called his words  ‘homophobic’ and ‘gross.’ Another comment, where Kirk said he wanted to end DePuy’s career, also received strong backlash online.

Now that he is out of the house, DePuy has been shocked and deeply touched by the love from “Big Brother” fans and former contestants. We chatted with DePuy for this Blade exclusive.

“To know that my community was rallying for me outside the house was the most wonderful thing. Seeing how much people were just wanting to shower me with love was incredible. Even my friends, I went to say hi and give them a hug, and they’re like, ‘Uh, uh, come here.’ They had to hold me and let me know America was feeling for me in a way that I had no idea.”

He added: “To see that reality was just overwhelming, and I couldn’t ask for more.”

Known as a messy player in the house, DePuy often had to fight to stay positive and stand up for himself. 

“No one was coming to my rescue. In real life, it’s easy to block people, but in the house, I didn’t have that luxury, so I had to find it within myself to learn how to speak up for myself in a way that wasn’t nasty or biting. I didn’t attack anyone personally, which is what I was the most proud of.”

DePuy acknowledged he has had a history of putting his foot in his mouth when it came to certain “Drag Race”moments, being in the public eye, and making a fool of himself. “I’ve learned my lessons; to see how I handled myself in the ‘Big Brother’ house was amazing.” 

While DePuy has been sober for 14 and a half years and has a strong spiritual foundation, in the Big Brother house, he often felt like he couldn’t communicate what he was feeling. 

“As a queer person, a person of color, a drag queen, I have to be very careful about how I move. I don’t have the luxury or privilege to just act a certain way or say a certain thing. I have to be very careful; I’m representing me. But who I am is a Latino, a person of recovery, a drag queen, a queer person in the community. I know that there’s a lot of pressure that comes with that. I felt it was safer for me to sit there and just breathe than try to do anything crazy.”

He continued: “I couldn’t speak to the personal attack that was happening in the house, because in my mind I was like, ‘no, this is a game, and I have to play it, put that aside.’”

Not only can viewers watch the episodes, but they can also watch the live feeds of what’s happening. Seeing the fans’ social media posts from people who had watched the episodes and the live feeds also contributed to DePuy realizing that his feelings of discomfort were valid.

“To know that I wasn’t delusional in those moments, that others could see what was happening, has been a lot to take in. Fans and friends let me know the comments made went beyond the game…I’m like, ‘Oh, so my instincts were correct.”

One of the most poignant moments on the live feeds occurred when DePuy was crying, alone in his room, and said how he missed his gay community.

“I really missed my friends. I missed my queer community. We’re so colorful. We’re so loud. We’re so vibrant. We speak off the cuff, and we’re very truthful and honest with how we speak, and it’s fun. We have fun lingo.”

DePuy had to censor his expressions in the house. “Because I can say one thing, but it can mean something different to straight people than it does with my queer brothers and sisters. So, there was a sense of code-switching that I had to do. I had to even put aside some of my queerness in a way sometimes to fit in.”

DePuy was thrilled to be the very first drag queen to ever be cast on the show. 

“I’m honored to have been chosen. There’s a million drag queens out there, and to know that I was a contender to come in the house and not even be in drag was like a wow for me. I’m over here in Hollywood, running around these streets with a wig and heels just to make a dollar to survive, and I have to rely on drag to do that. And then to be offered this opportunity and be given the privilege to say, ‘hey, you don’t have to put on the wig for you to be valuable here,’ is just insane to me.”

Prior to his shows, DePuy has been hustling for 15 years, flipping burgers and doing drag at night.

“That has been my life these past since I was 17. So it’s been a long journey; the opportunity to do this out of drag is a very big blessing. I’m honored and grateful to be the representation of my community.”

If you missed Jason on “Big Brother: Unlocked,” the episode can be seen on CBS.com. He will be back on the show for the finale.

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Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard

Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard

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Lily Erin, one of Rainbows in Revolt’s signature artists, performed at Capital Pride in June. (Photo courtesy of Rainbows in Revolt)

Last month’s Pride celebration in D.C. was so fun. Walking around my first Capital Pride with a $15 lemonade I was loving the madness and the color. Artists and small businesses battling banks you’ve never heard of collecting your personal information so you can spin a wheel to snag free merch. Great music blaring, people actually smiling and enjoying themselves, the “Great” American State Fair could never!

The Monument Stage was on Pennsylvania Avenue, directly in front of the National Gallery of Art and I can’t think of a better venue to see live music. How does someone get on the lineup for Pride? How do we accelerate the visibility of the most talented voices in our community to perform in places like this?

There is certainly not a talent gap, but there is a visibility gap. Chappell Roan went from playing for two people in a parking lot to owning the main stage at Coachella in one year. Whether it is shadowbanning or bias in AI, algorithms have been shown to suppress queer artists. In a digital age, how can queer people break through and show the world how talented they are?

Allison and Matt of Rainbows in Revolt are on a mission to make openly LGBTQ+ artists’ voices heard. Their goal is to find “musicians whose queerness is central to their identity as an artist,” and accelerate them to a place where they can actually reach fans.

The only time queer events seem to be in the spotlight is June, but this should be year round, according to Allison and Matt. Rainbows in Revolt wants to act as a “nucleus” for different sub-communities, finding common ground in the universal language of music.

Matt and Allison founded Rainbows as a way to make cheaper, higher quality merchandise for queer artists. While Rainbows has already pledged 20% of their profits to the LGBTQ+ community, with 10% to Whitman-Walker Health and 10% to LGBTQ+ organizations in need, this is just the beginning of the work that they do.

Rainbows “does the dirty work” that artists normally struggle to do on their own with limited resources. Interviews, artist profiles, social promotion, playlist discovery, radio outreach, and merch-funded support. This work is normally expensive, time consuming, and requires lots of different skills. Musicians don’t want to be editing clips to post online. Standup comedians don’t want to make graphics for their tour dates. They want to write more. They want to focus on their craft.

In addition to helping artists find their audience, Rainbows has built other digital tools to help queer people connect, including an interactive Safe Space Map for most major cities. It is hard to know which places are truly safe and supportive just from a simple Google search. Attitudes and actions change, and there should be a simple way for queer people to find other places that align with them. The Safe Spaces Maps are all up to date, and are tagged and filterable. Instead of relying on forums and word of mouth, Rainbows has created a centralized way to find authentic community quickly.

I had a chance to talk with Allison and Matt at Pride where Lily Erin, one of their signature artists, was performing on the Monument stage. Lily Erin is a folk singer who is familiar and forging her own path. Her bittersweet sound echoes through Acadia, and her garb mirrors the New England athletes I grew up with. Gorp Core meets streetwear. A graphic tee, hiking shorts, and creamsicle Jordans.

Her debut single, “Bus Stop,” tells a sad story about unconditional love, and the conditions that still seem to come with it. Graduating into lockdown, Erin needed a new way to connect with herself and others. Lily made “Bus Stop” without an intention to share it, but doing so was a liberation. People have been responding to her honesty around queer-ness, family, and the “ghosts which haunt us” even in the daytime.

Rainbows in Revolt has helped Lily Erin go from bars and backyards to The Monument Stage at Pride. This is a meteoric rise, and a testament to both Erin’s talent and the work of Rainbows to promote her. “A little encouragement goes a long way with early artists,” and by “planting a seed” Rainbows is already seeing their artist garden grow. Community is power, and Erin is a perfect example of how effective simple modern techniques of promotion can be.

A next step for Rainbows is putting on shows themselves. On Oct. 3, Rainbows in Revolt will host an Evening with Ray Boltz at the National City Christian Church. Boltz grew up in the Catholic Church and for many years was the soundtrack to many services, youth camps, and church groups. He was celebrated by millions until he came out in 2008. Allison remembers her community “never playing his music again.” 

Rainbows in Revolt is helping him to return to the church, and proving that identity does not need to be exclusive. We live in a complicated world with complicated lines being drawn. Boltz proves that these lines don’t exist, and will be breaking down barriers to bring together communities. To Allison, “a trans woman standing next to a straight white man in church is a powerful teacher.”

The Safe Space maps bridge all types of spaces, and one of the unlikely ones is, perhaps, churches. Matt said that “BYU has only nine safe spaces around their campus and seven of them are churches.” Not all churches are anti-gay, and many times they are the only place for people to find community.

Rainbows in Revolt is just getting started bridging gaps and building community.

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