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Pointer Sisters 2.0 to headline festival main stage on Sunday
Ruth Pointer says sisterly harmonics came naturally

The Pointer Sisters today are Ruth Pointer, center, with daughter Issa, left, and granddaughter Sadako. (Photo courtesy Left of Center Productions)
There’s a lot more to the Pointer Sisters than their most well-known hits.
Originally, sisters June and Bonnie Pointer started singing as a duo in 1969. By 1972, they were a quartet with sisters Anita and Ruth having joined them. Their eponymous debut album came out the following year and they worked as a quartet until 1978 and were known for highly eclectic musical experimentation. They even won a 1975 Grammy in a country category for their song “Fairytale.”
Their biggest songs came in the ‘80s with June, Ruth and Anita releasing monster chart hits like “Slow Hand,” “Jump (for My Love)” and “I’m So Excited.”
For about the last eight years, the group has continued with Ruth singing with her daughter Issa Pointer and granddaughter Sadako Pointer. June died in 2006. Anita occasionally sang with them until the last few years.
The Pointer Sisters will headline at the Capital Pride concert on the Capitol Concert Stage at 3rd & Pennsylvania Ave. on Sunday, June 11 at 4 p.m. Ruth Pointer, 71, took a few minutes last week from her home in Massachusetts where she was helping her granddaughter move into a new apartment to talk with the Washington Blade.
WASHINGTON BLADE: Your memoir “Still So Excited!” last year was noted for being unusually candid. What kind of reception did you get to it overall?
RUTH POINTER: You know, it was very positive. I think that I’m just among a group of people that are writing these types of memoirs most recently just about a life of recovery and redemption and experience, especially in this business. I really, really appreciate the response I got. I’m sure there were some negative ones as well from what I’m told but I don’t read that stuff.
BLADE: You were up front with your drug and alcohol use in the ‘80s. Do you agree that male rock stars seem to get more of a free pass on this kind of thing than women? With somebody like, say, Keith Richards, it’s treated as just part of his renegade persona whereas with Stevie Nicks, everybody acts so forlorn like, “Oh, she had a serious problem,” and she’s asked about it ad nauseam.
POINTER: In a way I think I do, but that’s sort of what I think is a gender bias in almost everything. You know, it’s just the way of the world.
BLADE: You’ve said how strict your parents were when you were growing up. Did they sort of gradually accept the kind of music the group was doing? Did it take them a long time to come around?
POINTER: Yes, they did loosen up. I think it comes from getting to a place where you’re just exhausted from fighting and disagreeing and being rigid and I know I find that in my own life with my own children. You know, after a while I just try to figure out how I can love them for who they are as opposed to how I want them to be and I think my parents came to that realization and just decided to just love us as opposed to trying to mold us and make us into these starch Christians that they were. It just wasn’t going to work (laughs). I mean you know, I consider myself a Christian today but I think a lot of religions and practices have changed over the years. You just want to kind of fit in a little bit with the world. So things are a little different now.
BLADE: I imagine gay issues were thought of as the ultimate sin, right?
POINTER: I didn’t even know anything about that when I was a kid. I had no clue.
BLADE: Do you recall when you first realized that was a thing?
POINTER: You know, I really don’t know a specific time. I’ve always had, you know, friends that were a little different in different ways, but I never thought it was anything wrong with them. They were just different.
BLADE: I’m sure your views evolved on that over the years like most other folks, right?
POINTER: Yeah, oh absolutely.
BLADE: Have the Pointer Sisters played many Pride events? Do you remember the first?
POINTER: I don’t remember the first one but we’ve always had a huge, you know, audience, gay audience, being from the Bay Area, San Francisco, you know, Haight-Ashbury. Sylvester, the Cockettes, Pristine Condition, you know, it was always just a good time. Just fun, which is what we always set out to do, just have a good time.
BLADE: What do you have planned for your D.C. performance?
POINTER: Well, we just want to have a really good time at any event. Where we’re playing determines what we’re going to have, what we’re going to wear. It’s just things that we want to be appropriate for the engagement we’re doing. We’re just excited about it. It’s always an exciting time to play for a gay audience. It’s always just so much fun.
BLADE: Mary Wilson has had several exhibits of the Supremes’ gowns in recent years. I know the Pointer Sisters were a whole different kind of act but do you have all your stage clothes from over the years and would you ever exhibit any of that stuff anywhere?
POINTER: No, we haven’t kept everything. I know my sister Anita keeps most everything. She has things that I don’t have. But we still have some things, we don’t have everything. I don’t know what she has because we were given a lot of things. Especially, like when we did “The Carol Burnett Show” and Bob Mackie was making all of our wardrobe for those shows. Carol was so gracious and just let us keep the costumes that were made for us.
BLADE: Wow.
POINTER: Yes, I know, I know!
BLADE: How is Anita. Do you see her often?
POINTER: I don’t see her that often because I’m on the East Coast and she’s on the West Coast. You know, when I’m in L.A. we try to get together and see each other so that’s when I can see her. We talk occasionally. My sister Bonnie and I text and talk on a regular basis and that’s just kind of the way we live our lives. I have two older brothers and we talk all the time. So we stay in touch pretty much like most families would. Nothing exceptional.
BLADE: Are you still friendly with (former Temptations lead singer) Dennis Edwards? (ex-husband and father of Pointer’s daughter, Issa.) Do you ever see him?
POINTER: I don’t see him. He’s in Saint Louis, I believe, and we have a daughter together who’s singing with me now and she’s in touch with him and his current wife, Brenda. But he’s in the hospital, you know, trying to recover from meningitis and now pneumonia. So we’re sort of praying every day that he makes a full recovery but we just don’t know. It’s really quite serious.
BLADE: What’s it like singing and traveling with your daughter and granddaughter? Did that just sort of come about organically?
POINTER: It was kind of a natural thing only because they were pretty much born into this business with me. I was pregnant with Issa on stage for eight months before she was born and my granddaughter has just always been around our music all her life. We had to make some adjustments in the music because unlike my sisters, they didn’t grow up singing together so that instinct that me and Anita and Bonnie and June had didn’t exist between Issa and Sadako. We had to teach them the notes and the moves whereas it was so easy for me and my sisters because we just kind of automatically moved together and automatically knew what we were going to do. It was a little bit of a challenge but they got it down.
BLADE: How long have they each been in the group?
POINTER: Issa has been with us since 2002. Sadako came in about eight years ago when Issa got pregnant with my first grandson. … They know what they’re doing by now.
BLADE: Back in the ‘70s and ‘80s, if a group won a Grammy, did you each get one or was it just one trophy for the group?
POINTER: We each got one, yeah.
BLADE: What memory stands out most in your mind from “We Are the World”?
POINTER: The fact that I realized that there would never, ever be that group of people together in one room ever again. My God, when I look back and think of all the people that were in that room. People I admired before I even got in the business and people that I will forever admire — Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, Lionel Richie, Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder, Al Jarreau, Janet, no wait, LaToya, Bette Midler, Tina Turner, Dionne (Warwick), oh, I could go on and on. It’s just like, wow. I was in awe of everybody.
BLADE: So even though you all were huge stars, you were still starstruck?
POINTER: Absolutely, oh yeah. I’m a fan of everybody’s.
BLADE: Were there a lot of egos on display?
POINTER: There was a banner placed across the top of the studio as we came in that said, “Leave your ego at the door.”
BLADE: Did it work?
POINTER: I think everybody did that except maybe Waylon Jennings (laughs).
BLADE: Of all people.
POINTER: It was like all of a sudden Stevie Wonder wanted to try to put in some kind of African lyric in the song and Waylon went off and he said, “I’m outta here.” Came down out of the bleachers where we were all standing and said, “I ain’t singing no Kumbaya bullshit, I’m outta here.” We all just laughed, you know?
BLADE: Do you think Bonnie felt left out when you all went through the roof after she left?
POINTER: We weren’t even in touch with her during those years. Bonnie was estranged and away from us for almost 30 years. We didn’t talk, we didn’t speak, there was nothing, no communication. And I really think that it had a lot to do with the man that she was with. So I don’t know what she was feeling but I’m sure she might have felt that way.
BLADE: How did it come about that “I’m So Excited” was remixed and became a much bigger hit than it had been before?
POINTER: We had an album called “I’m So Excited” and the song was kind of overlooked and we had put so much love and effort into writing that song, so when the album “Breakout” came up, we told Richard Perry, our producer, we said, “Look, we need to re-release this song.” We said, “It’s just a shame that it’s been so overlooked and we know it’s a hit.” And that’s kind of how it happened.
BLADE: Labels can be funny about stuff like that. Did it take any arm twisting?
POINTER: No, they really didn’t, you know, argue with us on that issue. They accepted it and were willing to put it on the next album. And the rest is history.
BLADE: How did you decide who would sing lead?
POINTER: We knew that Anita had a lot to do with initiating that song, the writing with Trevor Lawrence and we all felt equally agreeable that her voice was well suited for that song so it wasn’t really a big issue or argument.
BLADE: But in general how would you divvy up lead vocal duties?
POINTER: We would go through a series of trying out different voices. Richard would take each of us to sing a certain song and then we would all decide which one we liked the best. So that’s just how we did it.
BLADE: The Pointer Sisters are heavily known for dabbling in many genres. Did you ever get label pushback from that?
POINTER: We never really got much pushback. We always knew we didn’t want to be pigeonholed. We liked singing everything and I just think we just were lucky and blest enough that the producers we worked with liked that kind of variety. We were willing to try things and they were willing to try things with us.
BLADE: Do you think much about the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? I know it’s not just based on fame or chart stats, but there are many acts inducted that had a lot fewer hits than you guys did.
POINTER: Of course I think about that. Are you kidding me? Yes, yes indeed! But you know the other thing is that there are a lot of groups that I admire that aren’t in there either, you know? That when I hear the names come up on a yearly basis of the people going in, a lot of times I’m thinking, ‘God, I thought they were already in there.” So, you know, it is what it is.
BLADE: Is it political? Maybe because your biggest hits were ’80’s pop hits, that era isn’t taken as seriously perhaps?
POINTER: I really don’t know.
BLADE: Do you miss recording?
POINTER: I do, I do.
BLADE: Do you think you would ever do any recording with your daughter and granddaughter?
POINTER: I hope we can but right now, you know, it’s interesting. I’ve heard people talk about wanting to try out new material but the audience really loves the old stuff. You know, I remember even years ago, we’d try out new material and they just sit there looking at you like a deer in headlights so then you pull out something old and they go crazy. So we just stick with what we love and what they love.
BLADE: About what percentage of the year do you spend traveling these days?
POINTER: Hmmmm, I don’t know. I never tried to figure that out but I know it’s a lot. More than I ever expected it to be at this age, at this time in my life. But it’s OK because I appreciate it so much and I enjoy it so much. I think I enjoy it now more than I did then.
BLADE: What would you say to someone struggling with addiction?
POINTER: First of all just admit that you have a problem. People just don’t want to admit there’s a problem or they think they can handle it on their own. I’m so saddened with the deaths of Prince, Michael Jackson and I was just noticing this thing even with Tiger Woods the other day and I was saying, “God, they just don’t get it.” These opioids are gonna kill them and they’ve got to get a handle on it and realize they can’t beat the drug, you know? You gotta get help and you gotta admit that it’s an issue that you can’t just play around with and think, “Oh well, this won’t hurt me.” You gotta get help.
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What ‘Queer Eye for the Straight Guy’ can still teach us
Producer David Collins on lasting impact of hit series
It’s hard to imagine where LGBTQ+ television would be without “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy,” the trailblazing reality series that premiered in 2003.
Each episode of this Emmy-winning show saw a group of gays converge on a struggling man — the titular straight guy — and offer nonstop wit while organizing his endlessly messy life. This program about a group of homosexual helpers took the world by storm, furthering the love of gay television begun by shows like “Will and Grace” but bringing it into the growing medium of reality TV. Of course, it wasn’t perfect; “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” often cast its experts less as multi-faceted queer folks and more as sources of early 2000s gay jokes. But despite these pitfalls, it’s undeniable that the original program explored the realities of being gay in a way audiences had never seen before. It was a monumental piece of LGBTQ+ representation, and its success is largely owed to the man who fought to get this show made: producer David Collins.
Collins spoke with the Blade from his Los Angeles home, where he’s spent the past few years living with his husband and his two daughters. David spoke fondly of his many years in the industry, detailing how it feels to be such a huge part of LGBTQ+ history. He explained, however, that he didn’t initially set out to alter how queer people were seen on television. “I never went out to make gay television,” said the producer. “I went out to tell great stories.”
“I’m a hillbilly from Ohio, and I thought I was going to be an editor,” David laughed, looking back on his career. “I interned at the Cincinnati Film Office, and I showed up to work my very first day, and the film commissioner was like, ‘Get to the airport right now and pick [someone] up. Don’t talk to them.’ Well, I ended up picking up Jodie Foster.” Collins raved about this car ride that changed his life, with the pair becoming friends and Foster pushing him to become a producer who puts their own media out into the world. Eventually, he did just that, and after learning about the wild new genre that was reality TV, he pitched a series to Bravo: “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.”
“I was obsessed with Esquire magazine, and they had five categories: fashion, grooming, interior design, culture, food, and wine. So I gave them each a gay, and the Fab Five were born!” Collins said, describing how viewers quickly fell in love with the concept and earned the program four seasons and an Emmy for Outstanding Reality Program. He spoke about how proud he felt creating a show that centered real gay people, not characters in a story, remembering, “To stand in the middle of Times Square and look up and see this massive billboard with the original Queer Eye guys…it wasn’t even a dream come true, because it wasn’t a dream I had even fathomed.”
With his series, people were watching actual gay men and learning the realities of a queer culture that had always been portrayed as a danger to society. Collins tearfully recounted hearing about queer people using the show as a way to connect with their family, saying, “What I’m most proud of that’s come out of Queer Eye [are] the conversations that that series has allowed to have people around their kitchen tables with little boys in Ohio like me who were scared to death that they were going to burn in hell because their pastor was telling them that they were a sinner.”
Now, for all of its trailblazing, the program wasn’t wholly positive; the show’s focus on the central ‘straight guy’ meant it rarely delved into the lives of its Fab Five. Collins regretted that lack of depth but understood that earlier audiences weren’t accustomed to such a nuanced look into queerness — that would have to wait for the reboot.
When “Queer Eye” came out in 2018, audiences were introduced to not only a new Fab Five, but a whole new format (that didn’t rely on a straight person). Now, the series would assist queer folks and allies alike, spotlighting these individuals as well as the queer experts helping them improve their lives. The show has been applauded for its amazing makeovers, but where it truly stands out is its representation, offering a look into individuals across the country and the struggles — along with the immense joys — of being queer in America today.
Fans were disappointed to hear that “Queer Eye” would be ending after its 10th season, but David stressed that they wouldn’t have to be sad for long. “What I will say to you is this: hang tight,” he teased. “There’s yet another version of ‘Queer Eye’ to come, and we’re working on that now.” In the meantime, Collins is continuing his work with new shows like the “House of Stassi,” a series centered on “Vanderpump Rules’”prolific waitress. He’s excited about these new projects, but emphasized that his heart will always belong to “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” and all that it continues to do for viewers 19 years after its finale.
“It’s not about your new outfit or your new couch or your new whatever. It’s about your humanity,” said Collins, speaking about the core lesson he hopes people take away from the Queer Eye franchise. “It’s about seeing yourself. It’s about dignity. It’s about how confidence breeds success.”
A valuable message that queer folks can benefit from even more now than they did in 2003. And, while it’s unclear just what lies ahead for this franchise, one thing is for sure: “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” helped people everywhere understand the power that exists within our queerness. It’s a truth that has impacted countless pieces of LGBTQ+ television today, and it’s one that Collins promises to keep alive through whatever hit show he creates next.
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Jason DePuy on coping with homophobia in ‘Big Brother’ house
First drag queen contestant on CBS show fought to stay positive
One week after Jason DePuy (known as Salina EsTitties on “RuPaul’s Drag Race”) was bullied and eventually evicted from CBS’s “Big Brother” house, the queer drag performer is still emotionally processing his feelings.
During his 24 days in the reality TV competition, DePuy often had a rough time, with fellow cast member Kamuela “Kamu” Kirk making homophobic comments and feeling isolated.
In a conversation with Head of Household Rick Devens, Kirk left viewers upset when he said, “Bro, miss me with the drag stuff. Miss me. I’m still an MMA guy, and I have an image to uphold.”
Former “Big Brother” contestant Frankie Grande called his words ‘homophobic’ and ‘gross.’ Another comment, where Kirk said he wanted to end DePuy’s career, also received strong backlash online.
Now that he is out of the house, DePuy has been shocked and deeply touched by the love from “Big Brother” fans and former contestants. We chatted with DePuy for this Blade exclusive.
“To know that my community was rallying for me outside the house was the most wonderful thing. Seeing how much people were just wanting to shower me with love was incredible. Even my friends, I went to say hi and give them a hug, and they’re like, ‘Uh, uh, come here.’ They had to hold me and let me know America was feeling for me in a way that I had no idea.”
He added: “To see that reality was just overwhelming, and I couldn’t ask for more.”
Known as a messy player in the house, DePuy often had to fight to stay positive and stand up for himself.
“No one was coming to my rescue. In real life, it’s easy to block people, but in the house, I didn’t have that luxury, so I had to find it within myself to learn how to speak up for myself in a way that wasn’t nasty or biting. I didn’t attack anyone personally, which is what I was the most proud of.”
DePuy acknowledged he has had a history of putting his foot in his mouth when it came to certain “Drag Race”moments, being in the public eye, and making a fool of himself. “I’ve learned my lessons; to see how I handled myself in the ‘Big Brother’ house was amazing.”
While DePuy has been sober for 14 and a half years and has a strong spiritual foundation, in the Big Brother house, he often felt like he couldn’t communicate what he was feeling.
“As a queer person, a person of color, a drag queen, I have to be very careful about how I move. I don’t have the luxury or privilege to just act a certain way or say a certain thing. I have to be very careful; I’m representing me. But who I am is a Latino, a person of recovery, a drag queen, a queer person in the community. I know that there’s a lot of pressure that comes with that. I felt it was safer for me to sit there and just breathe than try to do anything crazy.”
He continued: “I couldn’t speak to the personal attack that was happening in the house, because in my mind I was like, ‘no, this is a game, and I have to play it, put that aside.’”
Not only can viewers watch the episodes, but they can also watch the live feeds of what’s happening. Seeing the fans’ social media posts from people who had watched the episodes and the live feeds also contributed to DePuy realizing that his feelings of discomfort were valid.
“To know that I wasn’t delusional in those moments, that others could see what was happening, has been a lot to take in. Fans and friends let me know the comments made went beyond the game…I’m like, ‘Oh, so my instincts were correct.”
One of the most poignant moments on the live feeds occurred when DePuy was crying, alone in his room, and said how he missed his gay community.
“I really missed my friends. I missed my queer community. We’re so colorful. We’re so loud. We’re so vibrant. We speak off the cuff, and we’re very truthful and honest with how we speak, and it’s fun. We have fun lingo.”
DePuy had to censor his expressions in the house. “Because I can say one thing, but it can mean something different to straight people than it does with my queer brothers and sisters. So, there was a sense of code-switching that I had to do. I had to even put aside some of my queerness in a way sometimes to fit in.”
DePuy was thrilled to be the very first drag queen to ever be cast on the show.
“I’m honored to have been chosen. There’s a million drag queens out there, and to know that I was a contender to come in the house and not even be in drag was like a wow for me. I’m over here in Hollywood, running around these streets with a wig and heels just to make a dollar to survive, and I have to rely on drag to do that. And then to be offered this opportunity and be given the privilege to say, ‘hey, you don’t have to put on the wig for you to be valuable here,’ is just insane to me.”
Prior to his shows, DePuy has been hustling for 15 years, flipping burgers and doing drag at night.
“That has been my life these past since I was 17. So it’s been a long journey; the opportunity to do this out of drag is a very big blessing. I’m honored and grateful to be the representation of my community.”
If you missed Jason on “Big Brother: Unlocked,” the episode can be seen on CBS.com. He will be back on the show for the finale.
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Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard
Rainbows in Revolt on a mission to make LGBTQ artists’ voices heard
Last month’s Pride celebration in D.C. was so fun. Walking around my first Capital Pride with a $15 lemonade I was loving the madness and the color. Artists and small businesses battling banks you’ve never heard of collecting your personal information so you can spin a wheel to snag free merch. Great music blaring, people actually smiling and enjoying themselves, the “Great” American State Fair could never!
The Monument Stage was on Pennsylvania Avenue, directly in front of the National Gallery of Art and I can’t think of a better venue to see live music. How does someone get on the lineup for Pride? How do we accelerate the visibility of the most talented voices in our community to perform in places like this?
There is certainly not a talent gap, but there is a visibility gap. Chappell Roan went from playing for two people in a parking lot to owning the main stage at Coachella in one year. Whether it is shadowbanning or bias in AI, algorithms have been shown to suppress queer artists. In a digital age, how can queer people break through and show the world how talented they are?
Allison and Matt of Rainbows in Revolt are on a mission to make openly LGBTQ+ artists’ voices heard. Their goal is to find “musicians whose queerness is central to their identity as an artist,” and accelerate them to a place where they can actually reach fans.
The only time queer events seem to be in the spotlight is June, but this should be year round, according to Allison and Matt. Rainbows in Revolt wants to act as a “nucleus” for different sub-communities, finding common ground in the universal language of music.
Matt and Allison founded Rainbows as a way to make cheaper, higher quality merchandise for queer artists. While Rainbows has already pledged 20% of their profits to the LGBTQ+ community, with 10% to Whitman-Walker Health and 10% to LGBTQ+ organizations in need, this is just the beginning of the work that they do.
Rainbows “does the dirty work” that artists normally struggle to do on their own with limited resources. Interviews, artist profiles, social promotion, playlist discovery, radio outreach, and merch-funded support. This work is normally expensive, time consuming, and requires lots of different skills. Musicians don’t want to be editing clips to post online. Standup comedians don’t want to make graphics for their tour dates. They want to write more. They want to focus on their craft.
In addition to helping artists find their audience, Rainbows has built other digital tools to help queer people connect, including an interactive Safe Space Map for most major cities. It is hard to know which places are truly safe and supportive just from a simple Google search. Attitudes and actions change, and there should be a simple way for queer people to find other places that align with them. The Safe Spaces Maps are all up to date, and are tagged and filterable. Instead of relying on forums and word of mouth, Rainbows has created a centralized way to find authentic community quickly.
I had a chance to talk with Allison and Matt at Pride where Lily Erin, one of their signature artists, was performing on the Monument stage. Lily Erin is a folk singer who is familiar and forging her own path. Her bittersweet sound echoes through Acadia, and her garb mirrors the New England athletes I grew up with. Gorp Core meets streetwear. A graphic tee, hiking shorts, and creamsicle Jordans.
Her debut single, “Bus Stop,” tells a sad story about unconditional love, and the conditions that still seem to come with it. Graduating into lockdown, Erin needed a new way to connect with herself and others. Lily made “Bus Stop” without an intention to share it, but doing so was a liberation. People have been responding to her honesty around queer-ness, family, and the “ghosts which haunt us” even in the daytime.
Rainbows in Revolt has helped Lily Erin go from bars and backyards to The Monument Stage at Pride. This is a meteoric rise, and a testament to both Erin’s talent and the work of Rainbows to promote her. “A little encouragement goes a long way with early artists,” and by “planting a seed” Rainbows is already seeing their artist garden grow. Community is power, and Erin is a perfect example of how effective simple modern techniques of promotion can be.
A next step for Rainbows is putting on shows themselves. On Oct. 3, Rainbows in Revolt will host an Evening with Ray Boltz at the National City Christian Church. Boltz grew up in the Catholic Church and for many years was the soundtrack to many services, youth camps, and church groups. He was celebrated by millions until he came out in 2008. Allison remembers her community “never playing his music again.”
Rainbows in Revolt is helping him to return to the church, and proving that identity does not need to be exclusive. We live in a complicated world with complicated lines being drawn. Boltz proves that these lines don’t exist, and will be breaking down barriers to bring together communities. To Allison, “a trans woman standing next to a straight white man in church is a powerful teacher.”
The Safe Space maps bridge all types of spaces, and one of the unlikely ones is, perhaps, churches. Matt said that “BYU has only nine safe spaces around their campus and seven of them are churches.” Not all churches are anti-gay, and many times they are the only place for people to find community.
Rainbows in Revolt is just getting started bridging gaps and building community.
