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‘Deep Talk’ with Andy Cohen
‘Real Housewives’ mastermind coming to Baltimore with pal Cooper

Andy Cohen, left, and Anderson Cooper in their joint show AC2. Cohen says it works because they’re friends in real life. (Photo by Glenn Kulbak)
AC2
An Intimate Evening with Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen
‘Deep Talk and Shallow Tales’
Hippodrome Theatre
12 N. Eutaw St., Baltimore
Friday, April 28
8 p.m.
Some celebs are witty and fabulous enough, they don’t need a script. They can just get on stage and start gabbing and people eat it up.
Such is the case with gay pals Anderson Cooper (of CNN fame) and Andy Cohen, who almost gives Ryan Seacrest a run for his money in terms of having his hand in the most pop culture pots, with their show “AC2: Deep Talk and Shallow Tales.”
Cohen is an Emmy-winning host of “Watch What Happens: Live” on Bravo late night, executive producer of the “Real Housewives” franchise and a New York Times bestselling author.
The pair were last here in 2015 at the Warner Theatre in Washington. This is the first AC2 show in Baltimore. Cohen spoke to the Blade last week by phone from his home in New York.
WASHINGTON BLADE: What’s your favorite on-stage conversation you’ve ever had with Anderson?
ANDY COHEN: It’s really like going out to a bar with us and just hanging out. Just a night of storytelling and fun conversation. There’s a story in the show that kind of just stayed in the show and we don’t really tell it outside of the show which involves a near-death experience that Anderson had that I was involved in that’s quite shocking and terrifying. I don’t know that that’s my favorite, but it’s certainly one of the more shocking ones.
BLADE: What’s the most outrageous audience question you ever got during one of these?
COHEN: Oh my God, I’ve had someone ask how hung we are. I’ve had people ask if we’re tops or bottoms. We’ve gotten everything.
BLADE: Do you playfully deflect?
COHEN: Well I try to answer everything. Anderson has a little more decorum than I do.
BLADE: Are you ever offended? Nobody would have asked that 30 years ago.
COHEN: Yeah, I know. No, because I like it and think it’s fun. I think people expect me to be open about anything, so I’m OK with it.
BLADE: Do you ever have to steer the tone to keep it from getting to heavy or serious or silly or whatever?
COHEN: We’re pretty good. We vibe it out pretty well with each other. We really just talk to each other and then we open it up towards the last half hour. We keep it on track pretty well.
BLADE: You’re both well versed in both hard news and pop culture. Is that partially why it works?
COHEN: Yeah, I totally think so.
BLADE: How do you coordinate your schedules. You’re both crazy busy.
COHEN: We just book it far, far in advance and pray for the best.
BLADE: Your career path is so unusual from going behind the scenes to being a host and celeb. That would seem like such a different skill set. Is it as unusual as you’d think?
COHEN: It is unusual but it’s been kind of organic and I think that’s why it’s worked. One thing has led to the next, so I don’t question how it happened. I’m thrilled about it.
BLADE: By the time you did get in front of the camera, you were pretty high up. Was it ever scary not getting to make your rookie mistakes on a smaller stage?
COHEN: Not really, no. I think it all happened for a reason.
BLADE: Trump has brought narcissism into the national dialogue in a way we haven’t seen before. Does everyone who signs up for a reality show like “Real Housewives” have some narcissism issues in your experience?
COHEN: Yes, I think absolutely. I think anybody who opens themselves up to that kind of moment, you know, open up their lives in that way in that way I think, for sure. I think all of us who decide to go in front of the camera have some level of narcissism. I don’t know if it’s a bad thing or what.
BLADE: Dealing with a whole cast of those types sounds like a nightmare. Is it?
COHEN: Oh absolutely. That’s why these shows are so successful still. People ask that and it’s because of the casting. People ask if they’re real or not and they’re definitely real. We cast people who are dramatic by nature and I think that’s why the shows are still going.
BLADE: You and Teresa Giudice from “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” were friends at the time she and her husband were sentenced to jail. Was it hard being friends but also covering it for the show?
COHEN: Not really. I think we have good relationships, so yeah.
BLADE: What’s been your favorite moment from one of the reunions?
COHEN: Oh wow. There’s a moment involving a bunny that’s coming up in the Beverly Hills reunion. That was pretty kind of hilarious. That’s coming up in the next couple of weeks.
BLADE: You’ve said Kellyanne Conway would make a great housewife. What would her opening tagline be?
COHEN: (pauses) I think it would be about alternative facts. I think hers would be the only truth that matters are my alternative facts.
BLADE: Are you cool with it if it turns out “Real Housewives” is your legacy?
COHEN: Yeah, I would be OK with that. I was always a big soap opera fan and I think it has replaced the soap opera. I think it’s today’s modern-day version of a soap opera so I think that’s an absolutely fine thing.
BLADE: Does it ever surprise you which cast members end up becoming huge in pop culture?
COHEN: Sometimes. It used to surprise me more but now kind of nothing surprises me. You know, because we’ve been through it so many times.
BLADE: Pop culture is so instant gratification, like junk food. Not to be all Oprah or anything, but you’re so immersed in it, is it a soul drain over time? Do you meditate or anything?
COHEN: Well, I think in the last few years my social life has actually — I’m probably working much more than I was, but I used to go out almost every night after the show so I don’t anymore. I’m still obviously a very social person, but I’m much less so than I was before and I think there’s something — I’m a little more calm now.
BLADE: There must be moments where you just wish everybody would go away.
COHEN: It’s all right. It’s all fun, you know what I mean? I consider myself very blessed. I know it sounds trite or lame or whatever, but it’s good problems to have. I’m sure, by the way, that in a couple years there will be a lot less demand for my services or interest in me and then I’ll have more time.
BLADE: You and Anderson like to egg each other on. Are you ever afraid you’ll say something on TV or stage and suddenly be in really hot water? Like some Natalie Maines moment or something?
COHEN: Yeah, I worry about that all the time and it was a theme in my last book actually. It was just me kind of always wondering if this would be the moment that I would wind up blowing it all.
BLADE: Why did you open “Superficial,” your last book, with the death of Joan Rivers?
COHEN: Because the last book ended right around the time. I took a couple weeks off from writing and it was just the day that I decided to start writing again.
BLADE: You were a little nervous when that book first came out that it would piss people off. How did it play out?
COHEN: It turned out OK. Whoever’s mad at me hasn’t told me they’re mad at me. I’m sure there are people.
BLADE: Any truth to the rumor that Caitlyn Jenner might join the “Real Housewives of Beverly Hills”?
COHEN: Totally not true.
BLADE: Who’s somebody famous whose house you’ve been to that was totally not what you expected?
COHEN: (pauses) I don’t know. Everybody kind of seems to live how I expect them to. If it’s someone rich and fancy, they usually have a rich and fancy house. When I went to Anderson’s many years ago, I was surprised it wasn’t nicer. But now he has a really nice house. But the first apartment of his that I went to, I was like, “This is not —,” you know.
BLADE: He officially came out pretty late but you’ve known him for ages. Did he ever talk to you about if he should come out or not come out?
COHEN: We had some — he was out to all his friends so it didn’t really seem like a big thing.
BLADE: Who’s the most different when the camera’s rolling vs. not?
COHEN: Oh, many people. Well, not really. I don’t want to sell anybody out.
BLADE: But it’s not uncommon for some people to just come alive when it’s on?
COHEN: Well, now that I think about it, no, it’s not really that much different.
BLADE: There was some almost scoffing when Barry Manilow finally made it official that he’s gay a couple weeks ago. Do you think with some celebrities it gets to the point that it’s so long and so widely assumed that it just gets almost ridiculous?
COHEN: Well look, I’m all for everybody coming out. Look, he did it in his own time and he had his own reasons and so, you know, I can’t speculate on someone else’s reasons and what they may be.
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Your guide to D.C.’s queer New Year’s Eve parties
Ring in 2026 with drag, leather, Champagne, and more
With Christmas in the rear view mirror, we can turn our attention to ringing in a much-anticipated New Year with a slew of local LGBTQ parties. Here’s what’s on tap.
Pitchers
This spacious Adams Morgan bar is hosting the “Pitchers’ Perfect New Year’s Eve.” There will be a midnight Champagne toast, the ball drop on the big screens, and no cover, all night long. The bar doesn’t close until 4 a.m., and the kitchen will be open late (though not until close). All five floors will be open for the party, and party favors are promised.
Trade
D.C.’s hottest bar/club combo is leaning into the Shark motif with its NYE party, “Feeding Frenzy.” The party is a “glitterati-infused Naughty-cal New Year’s Even in the Shark Tank, where the boats are churning and the sharks are circling.” Trade also boasts no cover charge, with doors opening at 5 p.m. and the aforementioned Shark Tank opening at 9 p.m.. Four DJs will be spread across the two spaces; midnight hostess is played by Vagenesis and the two sea sirens sensuously calling are Anathema and Justin Williams.
Number Nine
While Trade will have two DJs as part of one party, Number Nine will host two separate parties, one on each floor. The first floor is classic Number Nine, a more casual-style event with the countdown on TVs and a Champagne midnight toast. There will be no cover and doors open at 5 p.m. Upstairs will be hosted by Capital Sapphics for its second annual NYE gathering. Tickets (about $50) include a midnight Champagne toast, curated drink menu, sapphic DJ set by Rijak, and tarot readings by Yooji.
Crush
Crush will kick off NYE with a free drag bingo at 8 p.m. for the early birds. Post-bingo, there will be a cover for the rest of the evening, featuring two DJs. The cover ($20 limited pre-sale that includes line skip until 11 p.m.; $25 at the door after 9 p.m.) includes one free N/A or Crush, a Champagne toast, and party favors (“the legal kind”). More details on Eventbrite.
Bunker
This subterranean lair is hosting a NYE party entitled “Frosted & Fur: Aspen After Dark New Year’s Eve Celebration.” Arriety from Rupaul Season 15 is set to host, with International DJ Alex Lo. Doors open at 9 p.m. and close at 3 p.m.; there is a midnight Champagne toast. Cover is $25, plus an optional $99 all-you-can-drink package.
District Eagle
This leather-focused bar is hosting “Bulge” for its NYE party. Each District Eagle floor will have its own music and vibe. Doors run from 7 p.m.-3 a.m. and cover is $15. There will be a Champagne toast at midnight, as well as drink specials during the event.
Kiki, Shakiki
Kiki and its new sister bar program Shakiki (in the old Shakers space) will have the same type of party on New Year’s Eve. Both bars open their doors at 5 p.m. and stay open until closing time. Both will offer a Champagne toast at midnight. At Kiki, DJ Vodkatrina will play; at Shakiki, it’ll be DJ Alex Love. Kiki keeps the party going on New Year’s Day, opening at 2 p.m., to celebrate Kiki’s fourth anniversary. There will be a drag show at 6 p.m. and an early 2000s dance party 4-8 p.m.
Spark
This bar and its new menu of alcoholic and twin N/A drinks will host a NYE party with music by DJ Emerald Fox. Given this menu, there will be a complimentary toast at midnight, guests can choose either sparkling wine with or without alcohol. No cover, but Spark is also offering optional wristbands at the door for $35 open bar 11 p.m.-1 a.m. (mid-shelf liquor & all NA drinks).
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Local, last-minute holiday gift ideas
Celebrate the season while supporting area businesses
The DowntownDC Holiday Market is bustling. Union Station is decked out with its annual Christmas tree. Washingtonians have wrapped their houses and apartment balconies with festive lights and holiday decorations. The holiday season is here. And with stockings to fill and empty space under the tree, Washington’s local shops and artists have plenty to offer.
Show your LGBTQ and D.C. pride with the Washington Blade’s annual holiday gift guide.
To embrace the holiday buzz: The Blanco Nwèl cocktail from Alchy Cocktails. This Caribbean eggnog is one of Alchy Cocktail’s seasonal holiday cocktails. The flavor profile is similar to coquito, a traditional Puerto Rican Christmas drink with a coconut base. As a queer and Caribbean-owned business, Alchy Cocktails has been based out of Washington since 2021. Blanco Nwèl is available in both cocktail ($24) and mocktail ($12) online and at a variety of holiday markets, including the Tingey Plaza Holiday Market, the Flea Market at Eastern Market, Union Station’s Main Hall Holiday Market, and more. ($24)

A spicy bite: Gordy’s Cajun Okra from Salt and Sundry. These spicy, tangy pickles pull on Southern Cajun-style flavors, packing a punch with paprika, cayenne, and more. Gordy’s is an LGBTQ-owned and Washington-based brand, making this gift an opportunity to support a local LGBTQ business straight from the jar. This pantry staple is available on Salt & Sundry’s website and at its locations in Union Market, Logan Circle, and its Georgetown holiday pop-up store. ($14)


To celebrate Washington pride: The DC Landmark Tote Bag from The Neighborgoods. Native Washingtonians, visitors, friends and family alike will find something to love about this Washington-themed tote bag. Food trucks, the 9:30 Club, the Metro logo and pandas from the National Zoo are just some of the city’s landmarks depicted across the tote in a red, white, and blue color palette. The tote is a part of the DC Landmarks collection, which donates 10 percent of its sales to the American Civil Liberties Union. The Neighborgoods itself is a local, woman-owned business built out of a passion for screen-printing in 2013. The 100 percent cotton canvas tote is for sale online or at the DowntownDC Holiday Market. ($22)
To give friends and family their flowers: The Flowers Bandana from All Very Goods. This 100 percent cotton bandana was designed in Washington and hand printed in India. Its uniqueness comes in being covered with the faces of Black women, representing a “love letter to all women but especially Black women,” according to All Very Goods. The Black woman-owned and operated business, based out of Northwest Washington, has a mission to celebrate diversity and representation through its products. The bandana intends to give Black women their “flowers.” The Flowers bandana is available for purchase online. ($24)

To unlock culinary creativity: The Curious Chef Gift Collection from Each Peach Market. This customizable collection of kitchen oddities — ranging from tinned fish to chili oil — is a quirky gift for the most inventive chefs. The collection is available in a Standard Santa, Extra Goodies and Super Holiday Size for up to $165. The Washington-based market, founded in 2013, permits customers to make the collection special by specifying what unique ingredients are packaged, including products made by local or LGBTQ brands. Each Peach Market offers assembly and pick up in-person at its Mount Pleasant shop and also offers local delivery and nationwide shipping via its website. ($85)

To give a touch of sweetness: The DC Landmark Chocolate Covered Oreo Holiday Cookies from Capital Candy Jar. Wrapped in a festive red bow, this box of nine cookies embraces love for Washington and the holiday season in one. Among the dark and milk chocolate covered cookies are images of the U.S. Capitol, the White House, the Lincoln Memorial, the Jefferson Memorial and festive hollies. The treat, packaged in a Hill East facility just a few blocks from the Capitol, is available for purchase online and at the DowntownDC Holiday Market. ($23.95)


To celebrate queer gaming: Thirsty Sword Lesbians from Labyrinth Games & Puzzles. This roleplaying game embraces lesbian culture by unlocking a world of swords, romance, and battle. Ideal for group settings, the book presents a system of world building and character identities that are best brought to life by creative minds. Labyrinth, which has been a local Washington business for more than 15 years, celebrates non-digital fun through games and puzzles that connect the community. This gift is offered online and at Labyrinth’s Capitol Hill location. ($29.99)
To make a bold statement: The “Resist” T-shirt from Propper Topper. This locally screen-printed black tee features the Washington flag designed within a raised fist, symbolizing both Washington pride, and political resistance. The shirt is made exclusively by Propper Topper, a local Washington business that evolved from a hat shop to a gift store since opening in 1990. The tri-blend unisex shirt is available both for pickup at Propper Topper’s Cathedral Heights location and shipping via the online site. ($32)

To keep it c(g)lassy: The Glass Ball earrings from Blue Moon Aquarius. Gifting can rarely go wrong when it comes to a new pair of earrings. The unique statement earrings — made of polymer clay, glass, and 18k gold plating over surgical steel — are hand cut, sanded and assembled in Washington, meaning each set is unique. Blue Moon Aquarius, a local brand, is known for its small batch jewelry and home decor designed with clay materials. Available in oxblood, hunter green, lavender, and bluestone color palettes, these earrings are available for purchase on Blue Moon Aquarius’ website and at the DowntownDC Holiday Market. ($48)

To elevate a holiday tea or charcuterie party: The Honey Flight: Tea Lover’s Selection from BannerBee. This local honey company presents the ideal gift to make cozying up with a cup of tea slightly more special. The Honey Flight contains three types of raw wildflower honey infused with fair trade Ugandan vanilla bean, chai spices, and locally sourced lemon thyme herb. The gift is also an opportunity to uplift a family company based in the Mid-Atlantic that offers all-natural, sustainable products. The flight is available online, at the DowntownDC Holiday Market or at the Arlington Courthouse and Dupont Farmers’ Markets. ($36)

For Baltimore shoppers: If you’re in Charm City, don’t miss Balston Mercantile, opened by a gay couple in June. Their gorgeous shop in the Hampden neighborhood offers an array of unique, upscale finds, from barware and artwork to cookbooks and home decor and more. (849 W. 36th St.)
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Have yourself a merry John Waters Christmas
Annual holiday show returns to Alexandria and Baltimore
When it comes to iconic Christmas scenes in movies, none can top the tree-toppling tantrum thrown by cha-cha heels-deprived Dawn Davenport in John Waters’s fifth full-length feature “Female Trouble” from 1974. Therefore, it’s not surprising that Waters continues to make art out of Christmas, performing his spoken word Christmas tour in cities across the country. Waters has even more reason to celebrate with the release of his new red vinyl 7” single, a cover of Little Cindy’s “Happy Birthday Jesus (A Child’s Prayer)” on the A-side, and “A Pig Latin Visit From St. Nicholas” on the B-side. If you’re still looking for unique Christmas gifts, consider this record. As always, John was kind enough to make time for an interview in advance of his tour dates.
BLADE: John, in preparation for this interview with you, I went back and listened to Little Cindy’s original rendition of “Happy Birthday Jesus (A Child’s Prayer)” on your “A John Waters Christmas” CD.
JOHN WATERS: One thing I did, if you notice, I make the same stumble in my recording that she did in the original.
BLADE: It sounded to me like she got choked up.
WATERS: No, I think she just stumbles over a word, so I stumbled over the same word. It’s appropriation, insanely.
BLADE: Is this a song you first became aware of in your youth or when you were an adult?
WATERS: When I was doing the Christmas album, I had this friend named Larry Benicewicz. He was kind of my idea man with music. He knew every single old record. I would say to him, “Weird Christmas songs,” when we were doing a soundtrack, or a song about bears, or a song about this, and he would give me all these tapes. It was one of the ones he played for me. A lot of the songs I put in my movies and on my records, I did know as a kid. I did not know this one, but I immediately embraced it. I don’t think it’s campy. I think it really is spiritual in a weird way. My doing it makes it a novelty record. I am really for novelty records, and there aren’t any anymore. Why was there not a COVID novelty record? That’s insane. The dance “The Bug” that’s on the “Hairspray” soundtrack would be perfect for COVID.
BLADE: The thing that struck me was that for a Christmas song in the voice of a child, a kind of death pall hangs over it, with lines like, “If I was good you’d let me live with you” and “they nailed you to the cross, they wanted you to die.”
WATERS: All of it! When I see children at midnight mass kneeling in front of a nude man nailed to a cross, I feel like I’m at The Eagle! It is S&M, it’s creepy. I took the same cover (photo) from her record to parody and put my face on it. The same thing I did with The Singing Dogs last year when I covered (their version of) “Jingle Bells.” I’m really into novelty records. I love them and I’m trying to bring them back. I don’t expect anybody to ever play these records. Even The Singing Dogs one said on it, “Please do not play this record” [laughs]. And the flipside, the Pig Latin version, is almost impossible to listen to.
BLADE: I’m so glad you mentioned that. “A Pig Latin Visit From St. Nicholas” reminded me of the lost art of speaking in Pig Latin. I also recall watching the PBS series “Zoom” as an adolescent and learning to speak “ubbi dubbi,” a distant relative of Pig Latin. Do you think that the time is right for a Pig Latin or ubbi dubbi revival?
WATERS: Here’s the thing, I never could pick up any language, except Pig Latin. I’ve been in every foreign country. Foreign countries have given me money to learn to speak the language. I can never do it! But Pig Latin…my parents and other parents in the ‘50s spoke Pig Latin so kids couldn’t understand what they were saying. Then my mother taught it to me, and I used it. The hardest take to shoot in “Pink Flamingos” was not eating the dog shit. It was when the cast skipped, in one take, saying “E-way, are-yay e-they ilthiest-fay eople-pay in-hay e-they ole-hay ide-way orld-way.” We’re the filthiest people in the whole wide world in Pig Latin. We had to do so many takes so they could do it once without screwing it up. In “Polyester,” Edith (Massey) answers the phone, “ello-hay.” I did a photo piece where it was all subtitled in Pig Latin. Like “osebud-Ray” (from “Citizen Kane”) or in “Streetcar,” “ella-Stay!” [Laughs] All the iconic dialogue translated into Pig Latin. My assistant who helped me do it, had never heard of Pig Latin. She really got good at it because she lived in many foreign countries and can pick up languages. But it’s not that easy to do it correctly and read it. Your computer will translate into Pig Latin.
BLADE: AI understands Pig Latin?
WATERS: I guess that’s AI. It wasn’t 100% right, but it was close. I can speak it if I look at it, but just do a bit at a time. It was a challenge that no one would possibly care about or want to do.
BLADE: I think you pulled it off very well.
WATERS: If you want people to leave on Christmas morning, you put it on. That’s how you get your guests to leave. It’s time to go.
BLADE: Ood-gay i-bay! How did your relationship with record label Sub Pop, which released 2021, 2022, 2024, and new 2025 holiday singles, come about?
WATERS: I believe the first thing I did for them was “Prayer to Pasolini.” They came to me through Ian Brennan. He’s won a couple Grammys for World Music, but he is also is one of my agents who does the Christmas tour and a lot of my shows, anything with music. He helped me arrange each one of the songs. He had a relationship with Sub Pop. It was perfect. My friends in Baltimore, (the band) Beach House, have had huge success.
BLADE: That’s right, they’re on Sub Pop!
WATERS: Yes! I’m happy to be on it. I’ve even been to the warehouse and posed for pictures like Jackie Suzanne used to do.
BLADE: Is there any chance that “A John Waters Christmas” might be reissued on vinyl by Sub Pop?
WATERS: No. It’s such a nightmare to get the rights and to renew them. You have to find the publisher and the writer, and they usually hate each other. It doesn’t matter if it’s obscure or famous, it’s hard to get. You have to make the deal. The singer doesn’t get anything unless they play it on the radio. It would be so complicated legally, and there would be such a [laughs] tiny audience for it. I hope it will come out again. The same thing with the one for Valentine’s Day. I had two of them that did quite well when they came out; “A Date With John Waters and “A John Waters Christmas.” The “John Waters Christmas” album is still the soundtrack that plays whenever I’m doing my spoken word Christmas show as people are entering the theater.
BLADE: Aside from your annual Christmas show tour, what else do you do for the holidays now, and are there any traditions that you’ve carried over from your family?
WATERS: Certainly! I have two sisters, my brother’s widow, and me, so there are four and we take turns each year to have the Christmas dinner. Mine was last year. An entire sit-down dinner. Mom’s China, the silverware, the entire full dinner. It’s pretty traditional. I don’t have a Christmas tree, but I do decorate the electric chair from “Female Trouble.” That is a tradition in my family. We do have Christmas decorations, but they’re usually weird ones that fans sent me. I have one with Divine knocking over the Christmas tree, and the Christmas tree lights up, all sorts of amazing things. There is definitely a tradition here that might be a little altered, but it is definitely a tradition. I used to have a giant party every year, but COVID ended that. I still wouldn’t want 200 people in my house breathing right now.
BLADE: I was looking at your tour schedule and wondered if there are any new cities in which you’ve never performed the John Waters Christmas show that have been added to this year’s schedule?
WATERS: I don’t think there’s a city in America in which I haven’t done one show! The only places I haven’t been to are Hawaii and Alaska. I could do it there, but it’s too long on a tour. I can’t think of a city I haven’t played in in America over the last 50 years. The Christmas show is completely different every year. It doesn’t matter if you saw it last year.
