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Former ‘Sesame Street’ writer reignites debate on Bert and Ernie’s relationship

The characters’ close friendship has been called into question

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Speculation on whether iconic comedy duo Bert and Ernie’s relationship could be romantic has swirled for years but one former “Sesame Street” writer’s comments were taken as confirmation they are a couple.

Mark Saltzman, who is gay and was a writer on the children’s series in the ’80s and ’90s,  told Queerty that he based Bert and Ernie on a long term relationship he was in with another man.

“And I always felt that without a huge agenda, when I was writing Bert & Ernie, they were [gay],” Saltzman said. “I didn’t have any other way to contextualize them. The other thing was, more than one person referred to Arnie & I as Bert & Ernie.”

Saltzman noted that he was never open about drawing inspiration for Bert and Ernie from his own relationship.

“I would never have said to the head writer, ‘Oh, I’m writing this, this is my partner and me,'” Saltzman said.

Frank Oz, the puppeteer who created the character of Bert, denied Saltzman’s claims on Twitter.

“It seems Mr. Mark Saltzman was asked if Bert & Ernie are gay. It’s fine that he feels they are. They’re not, of course. But why that question? Does it really matter? Why the need to define people as only gay? There’s much more to a human being than just straightness or gayness,” Oz tweeted.

Saltzman’s comments led Sesame Street Workshop to release a statement that Bert and Ernie are just friends.

“As we have always said, Bert and Ernie are best friends. They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves. Even though they are identified as male characters and possess many human traits and characteristics (as most Sesame Street Muppets do), they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation,” the statement reads.

In an interview with the New York Post, Saltzman clarified his comments.

“As a writer, you just bring what you know into your work,” Saltzman said. “Somehow, in the uproar, that turned into Bert and Ernie being gay. There is a difference.”

Saltzman continued on that the bottom line is the pair have a strong connection.

“They are two guys who love each other,” Saltzman said. “That’s who they are.”

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Julius’ Bar ‘sip-in’ laid groundwork for Stonewall

Tuesday marked 60 years since four gay activists held protest

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While Stonewall is widely considered the birthplace of the modern LGBTQ rights movement in the U.S., a lesser-known protest inside a Greenwich Village bar three years earlier helped lay critical groundwork for what would follow.

Tuesday marked 60 years since the Julius’ Bar “sip in.”

On April 21, 1966, four gay rights activists — Dick Leitsch, Craig Rodwell, John Timmons, and later Randy Wicker — walked into Julius’ Bar and staged what would become known as a “sip-in” to challenge state liquor regulations on serving alcoholic beverages to gay men — with a drink.

Modeled after the sit-ins that challenged racial segregation across the American South, the protest was designed to confront discriminatory practices targeting LGBTQ patrons in public spaces.

At the time, the Mattachine Society — one of the country’s earliest gay rights groups — was actively pushing back against policies enforced by the New York State Liquor Authority. One of those policies could have resulted in the loss of liquor licenses for serving known or suspected gay men and lesbians. The participants had visited multiple establishments, openly identified themselves as homosexual, and requested a drink — with the anticipation of being denied.

Their final stop was Julius’, where reporters and a photographer had gathered to document the moment. When Leitsch declared their identity, the bartender covered their glasses and refused service, reportedly saying, “I think it’s against the law.” The next day, the New York Times ran a story with the headline, “3 Deviates Invite Exclusion by Bars,” cementing the moment in the public record.

Though initially framed with disrespect — the term “sip-in” itself was coined as a play on civil rights protests — the action marked a turning point. It brought national attention to the systemic discrimination LGBTQ people faced and helped catalyze changes in how liquor laws were enforced. In the years that followed, the protest contributed to the emergence of licensed, more openly gay-friendly bars, which became central social and organizing spaces for LGBTQ communities.

The Washington Blade originally covered when the bar was officially added to the National Park Service’s National Register of Historic Places in 2016.

Today, historians and advocates increasingly recognize the “sip-in” as a key pre-Stonewall milestone. According to the New York City LGBTQ Historic Sites Project, the protest not only increased visibility of the early LGBTQ rights movement but also exposed widespread surveillance and entrapment tactics used against the community.

Marking the 60th anniversary of the event, commemorations have taken place in New York and across the country. Reflecting on its enduring legacy, Amanda Davis, executive director of the NYC LGBTQ Historic Sites Project, spoke about the event.

“Julius’ Bar is a place you can visit and viscerally connect with history,” said Davis. “We’re thrilled to have solidarity locations across the country join us in commemorating the ‘sip-in’’s 60th anniversary and the queer community’s First Amendment right to peaceably assemble.”

For current stewards of the historic bar, the responsibility of preserving that legacy remains front of mind.

“It’s a privilege and a responsibility to be the steward of a place so important to American and LGBTQ history,” said current owner of Julius’ Bar, Helen Buford. “The events of the 1966 Sip-In here at Julius’ resonated across the country and inspired countless others to stand proud for their rights.”

The timing couldn’t have come at a more important moment, Kymn Goldstein, executive director of the June L. Mazer Lesbian Archives, explained.

“At a time when our community faces renewed challenges, coming together in resilience and solidarity reminds us of the power in our collective resistance,” Goldstein said.

The American Civil Liberties Union, an organization dedicated to defending rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution, is currently tracking 519 anti-LGBTQ bills across the U.S. The majority are targeted at restricting transgender rights — particularly related to gender-affirming care, sports participation, and the use of public bathrooms.

Some additional groups and bars that held their own “sip-in” as solidarity events to uplift this historic milestone are from across the country include:

Alice Austen House at Steiny’s Pub, Staten Island, N.Y.

Bellows Falls Pride Committee at PK’s Irish Pub, Bellows Falls, Vt.

Brick Road Coffee, Mesa, Ariz.

Brick Road Coffee, Tempe, Ariz.

Dick Leitsch’s Family at Old Louisville Brewery, Louisville, Ky.

The Faerie Playhouse & LGBT+ Archives Project of Louisiana at Le Cabaret, New Orleans

Harlem Pride & John Reddick at L’Artista Italian Kitchen & Bar, New York

JOYR!DE KiKi at Loafers Cocktail Bar, New York

Matthew Lawrence & Jason Tranchida / Headmaster at Deadbeats Bar, Providence, R.I.

Mazer Lesbian Archives at Alana’s Coffee, Los Angeles

New Hope Celebrates at The Club Room, New Hope, Pa.

Queer Memory Project at the University of Evansville Multicultural Student Commons / Ridgway University Center, Evansville, Ind.

Sandy Jack’s Bar, Brooklyn, N.Y.

St. Louis LGBT History Project at Just John Club, St. Louis

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PHOTOS: National Champagne Brunch

Gov. Beshear honored at annual LGBTQ+ Victory Fund event

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Gov. Andy Beshear (D-Ky.) speaks at the LGBTQ+ Victory Fund National Champagne Brunch on Sunday, April 19. (Washington Blade photo by Michael Key)

The LGBTQ+ Victory Fund National Champagne Brunch was held at Salamander Washington DC on Sunday, April 19. Gov. Andy Beshear (D-Ky.) was presented with the Allyship Award.

(Washington Blade photos by Michael Key)

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PHOTOS: Night of Champions

Team DC holds annual awards gala

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Team DC President Miguel Ayala speaks at the Night of Champions Awards Gala at the Georgetown Marriott on Saturday, April 18. (Washington Blade photo by Michael Key)

The umbrella LGBTQ sports organization Team D.C. held its annual Night of Champions Gala at the Georgetown Marriott on Saturday, April 18. Team D.C. presented scholarships to local student athletes and presented awards to Adam Peck, Manuel Montelongo (a.k.a. Mari Con Carne), Dr. Sara Varghai, Dan Martin and the Centaur Motorcycle Club. Sean Bartel was posthumously honored with the Most Valuable Person Award.

(Washington Blade photos by Michael Key)

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