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Sullivan, Gallagher trade barbs on marriage at forum

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Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage (DC Agenda photo by Michael Key)

A forum intended to address whether LGBT people have a place in the conservative movement quickly gave way to discussion on the validity of same-sex marriage as a conservative value.

Gay conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan and Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage, presented opposite sides of the argument Wednesday during a Cato Institute forum in Washington, D.C.

Sullivan said he’s touted same-sex marriage as a conservative value since the publication of his 1995 book ā€œVirtually Normal,ā€ and noted that he remains ā€œin favor of marriage rights rather than civil partnerships.ā€

ā€œI believe that gay people are members, integral members, of our families, and we deserve not to be cast out or segregated from them as we grow old,ā€ he said.

When gays realize their sexual orientation, Sullivan said, they suffer considerable psychological pain when they subsequently realize they won’t be able to marry.

ā€œWe were told as kids when we figured out we were gay and we knew that could never happen to us,ā€ he said. ā€œThe psychic wound and pain that it inflicts ā€” and still inflicts everyday on our children ā€” destroys the psyche, warps the soul, destroys the soul.”

But Gallagher rejected the notion that same-sex marriage could be considered a conservative value, citing majority opposition to gay nuptials in national polling.

ā€œSomewhere between 55 to 60 percent ā€” even if they support gay rights ā€” think this marriage thing is something else, gay marriage is not right,ā€ she said.

Gallagher also decried that people in the United States who believe marriage should only be between one man and one woman are accused of being bigots.

ā€œPeople are waking up in a American where suddenly their deepest core moral convictions ā€” they’re being told are immoral and should be the legal equivalent of racism,ā€ she said. ā€œIt’s pretty striking and people are pretty scared.ā€

Arguing that not all gays are in support of same-sex marriage, Gallagher said she knows openly gay people who’ve worked for NOM and believe that same-sex couples shouldn’t have marriage rights. When pressed by Sullivan to names these individuals ā€” arguing they couldn’t be outed if they’re openly gay ā€” Gallagher declined.

Also in her argument against same-sex marriage, Gallagher lamented the Catholic Church’s recent decision to close its foster services in D.C. now that marriage rights for gay couples will soon be available in the district.

In response, Sullivan noted that divorce has always been available in D.C., and the Catholic Church had run a foster agency in the district even though divorce runs contrary to Catholic beliefs.

But the primary focus on the forum ā€” titled ā€œIs There a Place for Gay People in Conservatism and Conservative Politics?ā€ ā€” was whether gays belong in the conservative movement, particularly if they’re concerned about the advancement of LGBT rights.

Nick Herbert, a gay member of British Parliament and the country’s Conservative Party, said his party has made considerable headway in reaching out to LGBT people, even going so far as to apologize for the party’s past hostility toward them.

Herbert said the Conservative Party has adopted acceptance of gays because of the tenet of democracy that all people are created equal.

ā€œConservatives should always believe that everyone should have an equal chance in life, regardless of any other factors, and that they should not be discriminated against,ā€ he said.

Herbert said a successful political party should be open to everyone and reflect the country it aspires to govern. He noted that if the Conservative Party secures a majority in the House of Commons by one just seat in the upcoming election, the party would likely have more openly gay ministers serving in government than the Labor Party.

Herbert said although he’s a conservative, he supports hate crimes legislation in his country and he rejects legislation that would prohibit same-sex couples from adopting. He also noted that Conservative Party leader David Cameron endorsed civil partnerships as relationship recognition for same-sex couples.

ā€œGay people are not the property of the left, or of any party,ā€ he said. ā€œThey will vote for the political party which best sits with their views, so long as that party does not make itself taboo.ā€

But Gallagher expressed skepticism about whether gays could be involved in the American conservative movement if they’re seeking new laws that would require religious people to tolerate gays.

Gallagher also said she didn’t think the British model for conservatism would fit well in the United States and that she didn’t know many American conservatives who would like their movement to be more like the movement in the United Kingdom.

ā€œWith all due respect, I’m not here to say what a British conservative should believe, but it seems to me that America remains a unique place for the protection of liberty, or classical liberalism, which I share,ā€ she said.

But Sullivan maintained that gays in American can identify as conservatives, even though he said the Republican Party doesn’t embraced conservatism.

ā€œI do not see the connection between being gay and whether you are in favor of the Iraq war,ā€ he said. ā€œI simply do not see a connection between being gay and whether you believe in a carbon tax rather than cap-and-trade.ā€

Sullivan decried how the Republican Party in recent years had taken upon itself to demonize LGBT people to win elections ā€” particularly in 2004 when former President George W. Bush endorsed the Federal Marriage Amendment.

At the forum’s end, Sullivan gave a few barbed responses to questions from the audience. The moderator asked Sullivan, who endorsed President Obama in the 2008 in the election, how conservatives can support the president even though Obama supports government expansion.

Sullivan said he wouldn’t answer because it has no relevance to topic of the forum.

ā€œThat’s an utterly irrelevant question to this conversation,ā€ he said. ā€œI won’t answer it. I’m happy to answer it at some other level, but it’s so utterly unrelated to the subject we’re talking about, I think it’s a preposterous question.ā€

Additionally, Sullivan rebuked an accusation from audience member Jamie Kirchick, a writer for The New Republic, who said Sullivan doesn’t ā€œspeak for gay conservatives.ā€

Kirchick noted the significant number of gays who said in exit polls they voted for Republican nominee John McCain in the 2008 election.

Sullivan said was very clear in his book ā€œThe Conservative Soulā€ in how he adheres to conservatism and that he’s been studying the works of conservative intellectuals for some time.

ā€œI think a know a little bit more about it than Jamie Kirchick, to be honest, and I do not believe the conservative movement as it now exists in America has a place for a conservative like me,ā€ Sullivan said. ā€œBut I do refuse to give up the term conservative because it’s something that I believe in.ā€

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LGBTQ asylum seeker ‘forcibly removed’ from US, sent to El Salvador

Immigrant Defenders Law Center represents Venezuelan national

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The Salvadoran capital of El Salvador from El BoquerĆ³n Volcano in 2023. (Washington Blade photo by Michael K. Lavers)

An immigrant rights group that represents an LGBTQ asylum seeker from Venezuela says the Trump-Vance administration on March 15 “forcibly removed” him from the U.S. and sent him to El Salvador.

Immigrant Defenders Law Center Litigation and Advocacy Director Alvaro M. Huerta during a telephone interview with the Washington Blade on Tuesday said officials with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection alleged his organization’s client was a member of Tren de Aragua, a Venezuela-based gang, because of his tattoos and no other information.

“It’s very flimsy,” said Huerta. “These are the types of tattoos that any artist in New York City or Los Angeles would have. It’s nothing that makes him a gang member.”

The White House on Feb. 20 designated Tren de Aragua an “international terrorist organization.”

President Donald Trump on March 15 invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which the Associated Press notes allows the U.S. to deport “noncitizens without any legal recourse.”

“I proclaim that all Venezuelan citizens 14 years of age or older who are members of TdA (Tren de Aragua), are within the United States, and are not actually naturalized or lawful permanent residents of the United States are liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies,” said Trump in a proclamation that announced his invocation of the 18th century law.

The asylum seeker ā€” who the Immigrant Defenders Law Center has not identified by name because he is “in danger” ā€” is among the hundreds of Venezuelans who the U.S. sent to El Salvador on March 15.

Chief Judge James E. Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia temporarily blocked the deportations. The AP notes the flights were already in the air when Boasberg issued his ruling.

Huerta said U.S. officials on Monday confirmed the asylum seeker is “indeed in El Salvador.” He told the Blade it remains unclear whether the asylum seeker is in the country’s Terrorism Confinement Center, a maximum-security prison known by the Spanish acronym CECOT.

‘We couldn’t find him’

Huerta said the Immigrant Defenders Law Center client fled Venezuela and asked for asylum in the U.S.

The asylum seeker, according to Huerta, passed a “credible fear interview” that determines whether an asylum claim is valid. Huerta said U.S. officials detained the asylum seeker last year when he returned to the country from the Mexican border city of Tijuana.

Huerta told the Blade the asylum seeker was supposed to appear before an immigration judge on March 13.

“We couldn’t find him,” said Huerta.

He noted speculation over whether Trump was about to invoke the Alien Enemies Act, and the Immigrant Defenders Law Center “started getting concerned that maybe he was caught up in this situation.”

“He’s an LGBT individual who is an artist in Venezuela,” said Huerta.

Neither ICE nor CBP have responded to the Blade’s request for comment.

Huerta said it is “hard to say” whether the asylum seeker has any legal recourse.

“He still has an ongoing case in immigration court here,” said Huerta, noting the asylum seeker’s attorney was in court on Monday, and has another hearing in two weeks. “Presumably they should have to allow him to appear, at least virtually, for court because he still has these cases.”

Huerta noted the U.S. since Trump took office has deported hundreds of migrants to Panama; officials in the Central American country have released dozens of them from detention. Migrants sent to the GuantƔnamo Bay naval base in Cuba have returned to detention facilities in the U.S.

“Something where the government, kind of unliterally, can just say that someone is a gang member based on tattoos, without any offer of proof, without having to go to court to say that and then take them externally to what effectively a prison state (El Salvador), it certainly is completely just different than what we’ve seen,” Huerta told the Blade.

Huerta also spoke about the Trump-Vance administration’s overall immigration policy.

“The Trump administration knows exactly what they’re doing when it comes to scapegoating immigrants, scapegoating asylees,” he said. “They have a population that, in many ways, is politically powerless, but in many other ways, is politically powerful because they have other folks standing behind them as well, but they’re an easy punching bag.”

“They can use this specter of we’re just deporting criminals, even though they’re the ones who are saying that they’re criminal, they’re not necessarily proving that,” added Huerta. “They feel like they can really take that fight and run with it, and they’re testing the bounds of what they can get away with inside and outside of the courtroom.”

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Kennedy Center official slams Harvey Fiersteinā€™s ban claim as ā€˜total lieā€™

Grenell invites iconic gay actor to perform ā€˜Hairsprayā€™

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Richard Grenell, president and interim executive director of the John F. Kennedy Center, denies that actor Harvey Fierstein was banned from the venue. (Washington Blade file photo by Michael Key)

Richard Grenell, who was appointed president and interim executive director of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts by President Trump, pushed back against Harvey Fiersteinā€™s claim of being banned from the Kennedy Center, calling it ā€œa total lieā€ in a new X post.

On Wednesday, gay icon and Tony Award-winning actor Harvey Fierstein posted on Instagram, claiming to have been ā€œbanned from THE KENNEDY CENTER.ā€ In the post, Fierstein shared a picture of himself walking in the 1979 Christopher Street Liberation Day parade alongside LGBTQ rights activist Marsha P. Johnson. In the caption, he alleged that Trumpā€™s takeover of the Kennedy Center was the reason for his ban, calling it an attack on free speech and a threat to democracy.

The Blade emailed the Kennedy Centerā€™s public relations team, seeking confirmation of Fiersteinā€™s claim and an official statement from the cultural center. More than an hour later, in a separate email that did not directly address the original request, Brendan Padgett, the Kennedy Centerā€™s director of Public Relations, responded with a link to a post on his boss Grenellā€™s X account.

ā€œMaking sure you saw this,ā€ Padgettā€™s email read, followed by a link to Grenellā€™s post.

ā€œHey, @HarveyFierstein This is a total lie,ā€ Grenell wrote in the post. ā€œWhoever told you this (because you obviously didnā€™t do your own research) should be fired from your team for purposefully making you look foolish.ā€

Grenellā€™s post, uploaded the morning after Fiersteinā€™s initial claim, included screenshots of Fiersteinā€™s Instagram post. Grenell went on to assert that, like Fierstein, he had been a fighter ā€œfor equality for decades,ā€ citing his position as the first openly gay member of a U.S. presidentā€™s Cabinet as proof. (Grenell was never confirmed by the Senate; the first openly gay Senate-confirmed Cabinet official is Pete Buttigieg, former Secretary of Transportation.)

ā€œYou arenā€™t banned,ā€ Grenell continued. ā€œIn fact, come do Hairspray or La Cage here at the Kennedy Center. This is your personal invite. Letā€™s meetā€”if, however, you can handle diverse opinions and want to be inclusive of everyone, that is.ā€

The Washington Blade reached out to both Harvey Fierstein and Brendan Padgett for comment on the ongoing situation. Padgett responded, stating, ā€œNo comment aside from the Kennedy Center Presidentā€™s post.ā€ Fierstein has yet to respond.

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Trump administration considering closing HIV prevention agency: reports

Sources say funding cuts possible for CDC

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Reports have emerged that President Trumpā€™s HHS plans to cut HIV prevention efforts, rolling back a program he initiated in his first term. (Washington Blade file photo by Michael Key)

The Department of Health and Human Services is considering closing the HIV Prevention Division of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and transferring some of its programs to a different agency, according to a report by the New York Times.

The Times and Politico cited government sources who spoke on condition of not being identified as saying plans under consideration from the administration also call for possible funding cuts in the domestic HIV prevention program following funding cuts already put in place for foreign U.S. HIV programs.

ā€œItā€™s not 100 percent going to happen, but 100 percent being discussed,ā€ the Times quoted one of the sources as saying.

News of the possible shutdown of the HIV Prevention Division and possible cuts in HIV prevention funds prompted 13 of the nationā€™s leading LGBTQ, HIV, and health organizations to release a joint statement on March19 condemning what they said could result in a ā€œdevastating effectā€ on the nationā€™s progress in fighting AIDS.

Among the organizations signing on to the joint statement were D.C.ā€™s Whitman-Walker Health and the Los Angeles LGBT Center.

Carl Schmid, executive director of the HIV+ Hepatitis Policy Institute, which opposes funding cuts or curtailment in domestic AIDS programs, points out in a separate statement that it was President Trump during his first term in office who put in place the HIV Epidemic Initiative, which calls for ending the HIV epidemic in the U.S. by 2030.

That initiative, which Trump announced in his 2019 State of the Union address, is credited with having reduced new HIV infections nationwide by 30 percent in adolescents and young adults, and by about 10 percent in most other groups, according to the Times report on possible plans to scale back the program.

In a statement released to Politico, HHS spokesperson Andrew Nixon said, ā€œHHS is following the Administrationā€™s guidance and taking a careful look at all divisions to see where there is overlap that could be streamlined to support the Presidentā€™s broader efforts to restructure the federal government.ā€

ā€œNo final decision on streamlining CDCā€™s HIV Prevention Division has been made,ā€ Nixon said in his statement. 

ā€œAn effort to defund HIV prevention by this administration would set us back decades, cost innocent people their lives and cost taxpayers millions,ā€ said Kelley Robinson, president of the Human Rights Campaign, the nationā€™s largest LGBTQ advocacy organization, in a March 19 statement.

ā€œThe LGBTQ+ community still carries the scars of the government negligence and mass death of the HIV/AIDS epidemic,ā€  Robinson said. ā€œWe should be doubling down on our investment to end the HIV epidemic once and for all, not regressing to the days of funeral services and a virus running rampant,ā€ she said. 

ā€œWe are deeply concerned by the Trump administrationā€™s reckless moves to defund and de-prioritize HIV prevention,ā€ the statement released by the 13 organizations says. ā€œThese abrupt and incomprehensible possible cuts threaten to reverse decades of progress, exposing our nation to a resurgence of a preventable disease with devastating and avoidable human and financial costs,ā€ the statement says. Ā 

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